Jesse Marsch

[Jaydog]

There's a lot in there so i'll just say what all the complete buffoon gits told us about Bert instead of seeing the bigger picture.

He carries the can. Just get rid.

For who? Sam Fluffydice.
A giant crab like sideways movement.
If there’s a credible alternative that would like the gig I’m all ears especially if we lose to Fulham & Bournemouth

[onemoreslogan]

Still missing the point imo.

I've been trying to talk about the weaknesses of Marsch's system, here and elsewhere, ever since he was appointed. The response has continually, and pretty much exclusively, been in the form of people saying, yeah but he saved us from Bielsa's folly.

It isn't an answer, and it never has been. Leaving aside the pointless arguments about whether Bielsa was 'taking us down', or whether Marsch 'kept us up', not one person has spelled out to me why they believe Marsch's system can succeed in the premier league. It's always, give him time, wait until he's got his own players, etc.

His time is now up. He's a proven failure, and he will be taking us down if we persist with him. He's demonstrated that he's not capable of getting the required ppg against teams outside the top six. Game over. Really, the value of Bielsa as an exemplar now is in the kind of coach we should be looking for next.

That last paragraph f**king nails my thoughts on the matter.

[Victor_OTT_17]

Wish there was a collapsible quote function.

Haha SAME

[Victor_OTT_17]

Amazing that we have to sack a manager who's team always seems to play very well against the top 6

[Kennyb41]

If they'd done that to Bielsa you wouldn't be furious?

Anyway here's your superteam you could've selected from the available

Ayling Koch Llorente Firpo
Klich Gyabi
Sinisterra Gelthardt Harrison
Rodrigo

Best of British to avoiding relegation coz if you have to make any players play out of position coz of injuries to any of the above you've got Summerville, Greenwood and Drameh on your bench, but don't panic Forshaws on his way back

[weasel]

Amazing that we have to sack a manager who's team always seems to play very well against the top 6

Yeah 1 win from 5 against the big 6 is definitely reason to keep him. Oh but of course under Bielsa we didn't beat any of the top 6 last season. And we're not allowed to go back to the season when Bielsa done good are we so we can't mention beating City away or being unbeaten in all our home games against 'big 6.'


Ssssh don't mention how well Bielsa did in that first season cos it's not allowed cos we had some marvelous squad and the big 6 hadn't been allowed to spend any money etc.

[Jaydog]

Yeah 1 win from 5 against the big 6 is definitely reason to keep him. Oh but of course under Bielsa we didn't beat any of the top 6 last season. And we're not allowed to go back to the season when Bielsa done good are we so we can't mention beating City away or being unbeaten in all our home games against 'big 6.'


Ssssh don't mention how well Bielsa did in that first season cos it's not allowed cos we had some marvelous squad and the big 6 hadn't been allowed to spend any money etc.

I thought that was the season that massively flattered us?
How many people on here actually want to keep Marsch? Not many I’d guess. It’s the alternative that’s scary when names like Gerrard, Sam & Dyche are out there. Be afraid

[Jaydog]

A poor Leicester style defeat tomorrow and he will go. I think it would be impossible for the board to defend him after that.

[UK2USA]

Bielsa has gone, why do we need to keep talking about him. He didn't leave, he was sacked whether we agree or not to that. The board made the decision, and they will make the decision on if Marsch gets sacked and more importantly who will take over. We don't get a say in it. 'Hoping' we get this manager or that manager will not get him. The board have clearly shown they don't have the money, or want to spend the money. Its so easy to say "Sack Marsch", but you assume there is some savior waiting in the wings. World class managers take money to get, and I cant imagine theres too many out there who want to have a 'relegation' on their CV. One of the demands anyone will surely have is an insistence on getting a striker who can hit the net, thats also going to cost money, and a lot of it. Other teams even outside of the top 6 have top strikers who are winning them games. Mitrovic, Toney... We have seen the boards reluctance to spend the money needed in the Prem. Whoever comes in cant even look at buying a striker until January and we typically don't buy anyone in this window, if theres anyone that is available or will 'want' to come to a team been run to 'Survive' only. I'm not defending our poor run of results, but your charge to sack Marsch, without knowing who we get to replace him other than your 'Wish List' managers may end badly. Like I said you have 12 teams all in a relegation fight, thats the Prem. A loss against Fulham may have to be the end no matter what, but we have a game in hand, and are only 1 win away from mid table....we are hardly doomed just yet. Bamford & Rodrigo on present form wouldn't get a game for any other Prem team, but this is all Marsch, or any incoming 'savior' has.

[weasel]

I think the reason Bielsa is relevant to Marsch is that in bringing in Marsch the board were expecting to do at the very least better than Bielsa had done in an awful season. We weren't expecting him to hit the heights of Bielsa season 1 prem but to at least do better than last season when it was felt, by the board and some fans,we were doing so badly the manager had to be sacked. If Bielsa was sacked for doing this bad then surely the same should apply to JM?

[Musicman1965]

Are they valid ?

Is comparing a run of 6 very unfortunate run of fixtures when crippled to 100+ games actually valid ?

Hey Jesses just had 2 defeats against Arsenal and Leicester...He's got Fulham, Liverpool, Bournemouth, Spurs to come...are we gonna judge him on that piss easy run...ok then, let's go baby get your valid judging eyes on.

My agreement with Chilli D comments is just that, all the things that were written were completely true. I not comparing Jesse's record
or the results he has achieved. The Valid points are what is actually written not the bits you choose to add on. Was Bucket Be-lsie's results poor to the later end of his time with Leeds. The fact is yes. Our goal difference is one the worst in Leeds History. He was fired for good reason for not doing his job. Tell me my facts are wrong, facts mind not some made up opinion. Time to get over Be-lsie Bucket and move on...

[Musicman1965]

Your wasting your breath, Kenny.

Its not a waste of time, we are having a discussion, how about joining in with valid thoughts of your own.

[weasel]

My agreement with Chilli D comments is just that, all the things that were written were completely true. I not comparing Jesse's record
or the results he has achieved. The Valid points are what is actually written not the bits you choose to add on. Was Bucket Be-lsie's results poor to the later end of his time with Leeds. The fact is yes. Our goal difference is one the worst in Leeds History. He was fired for good reason for not doing his job. Tell me my facts are wrong, facts mind not some made up opinion. Time to get over Be-lsie Bucket and move on...

And that's the nub. Marsch's result haven't ever been much better than they are now which is similar to Bielsa at his poorest rather than accross Bielsa's whole reign.

[Musicman1965]

And that's the nub. Marsch's result haven't ever been much better than they are now which is similar to Bielsa at his poorest rather than accross Bielsa's whole reign.

But after 10 games of the new season, with a newish team to mould. Its doesn't seem like a fair comparrison

[weasel]

But after 10 games of the new season, with a newish team to mould. Its doesn't seem like a fair comparrison

Yeah silly me will wait till after we get relegated then judge.

He had a dozen matches last season to get accustomed to the league. He has had all summer to get the team used to how he wants them to play and 3 of the 5 players brought in know his tactics.

If there were signs of progress then it may be a fair point. If it looked like the team was beginning to gel and improve then yes give him more time. Yes were unlucky against Arsenal but not so much so in the other matches.

[Musicman1965]

Yeah silly me will wait till after we get relegated then judge.

He had a dozen matches last season to get accustomed to the league. He has had all summer to get the team used to how he wants them to play and 3 of the 5 players brought in know his tactics.

If there were signs of progress then it may be a fair point. If it looked like the team was beginning to gel and improve then yes give him more time. Yes were unlucky against Arsenal but not so much so in the other matches.

Looks like the knives are out and everything will pan out soon. In the world of Football Premiership Managers you have to hit the ground running or the axe falls. You are probably right, results are everything and no one person is greater than the club itself. I just hope if Jesse does go that they go for someone with Premier League experience and that has achieved something.

[UK2USA]

The jury is out for me whether to sack him or not, but I'm leaning against it at this point. Especially, as I don't trust the board will get a manager in who is on the fans 'wish list' or wont be a recycled past failed manager. Marsch has lost 50% of his games so far, but still less than 6 other teams below and just above us, and we have a better GD than these teams, so a lot rides on the win tomorrow against Fulham. A win, and with our game in hand we are looking at only 2 points behind Brentford in 10th, hardly doom & gloom? Agreed if we lose against Fulham we are in it, especially with Forest winning today. Marsch will be up against it, so we will have to see how it handles it, and earns his money, but that goes for some of the underperforming players too! Just a week ago, we are all applauding how well we played against a top Arsenal team, some of the best football we have seen in while, but yet some on here seem absolute on sacking him without really a plan B. Of course its a results business, but I'm just trying to stay objective in this. I'm new on here, but I'm loving the banter

[andrewjohnsmith]

But after 10 games of the new season, with a newish team to mould. Its doesn't seem like a fair comparrison

Agree with weasel below.

He had about 10 (not sure) games last season and a preseason to figure things out. He's also brought in 5 of his own first team starters. 10 games this season is plenty.

[Kennyb41]

My agreement with Chilli D comments is just that, all the things that were written were completely true. I not comparing Jesse's record
or the results he has achieved. The Valid points are what is actually written not the bits you choose to add on. Was Bucket Be-lsie's results poor to the later end of his time with Leeds. The fact is yes. Our goal difference is one the worst in Leeds History. He was fired for good reason for not doing his job. Tell me my facts are wrong, facts mind not some made up opinion. Time to get over Be-lsie Bucket and move on...

Move on lol, move on to what ?

[Kennyb41]

But after 10 games of the new season, with a newish team to mould. Its doesn't seem like a fair comparrison

Are you drunk ?

He's had 12 games last year, about 5 friendlies and 10 this year, that's 27 games and 5 players of his own he knows.

Bert beat Stoke coming down from the Prem 4-1 with trash in a can players after having hold of them for a few weeks with no competitive league fixtures.

Get a grip.