Jesse Marsch

[Irish Ian]

Thoughts on Marsch ball after first game. It's very high energy. I think Roca and Rodrigo got subbed because they were knackered.

That obviously ties into why Marsch likes to rotate players. I'm sure tactics will be more high energy now given the 5 subs rule.

First game of the season so match fitness still being built up, but yes player rotation will be a key feature.

I enjoyed it more than I had expected.. once my mind stopped screaming for them to play it wide .

I can see what the idea is now, well I have a bit more clarity.
I was worried when Wolves widened the play second half but the sub of Klich for Rod worked a treat and then adding Greenwood in there showed Jesse wanted the win.
Add in options of James and Sinisterra to our attack and we look very handy.

Happy overall.

[Tom_Siffringer]

How do you think the USA will fare in the World Cup, Tom?

I think that I wish we had a different manager. I'm not a big fan of Gregg Berhalter. If he plays Tyler Adams at right back one more time, my head will explode.

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[Kennyb41]

As an American, I am indeed amused.

All kidding aside I sometimes wonder if Europeans believe we've sat around for the last 50 years thinking that we could simply figure this game out over a beer or two.

Truth be told, the game is massive here in the States and growing at an unbelievably fast rate. If you take a look at American footballers playing in top leagues now, I think you'd realize that the state of the game here is excellent and only improving. Aaronson is a wonderful example. He's not some diamond in the rough, but rather an excellent player who, were he Dutch or English or German, would likely already be a household name in the Premier League. As for Jesse, he was an excellent footballer and is a very good manager. Ultimately, all coaches at that level eventually find themselves looking for new work, and he'll be no exception. That said, his American roots ought not be that on which he's judged but, rather, on his results.

Cheers

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I assure you 100% i will judge him on team performance and results, i couldn't care less if he's from Timbuktu as long as he can bring us some glory, and if he can get us performing at 80% Bertball i'll be in my element.

One thing i am happy about, is he's going about it his way and good luck to him, because if it works, it's gonna be good.

[Kennyb41]

Fck the pundits they haven't a clue, in this new era KP will not be missed at all (unless he went 4-1-4-1) but even then it wouldn't be the same 4-1-4-1 as Berts 4-1-4-1.

Raphinha will only be missed because individually he's a class act, up to now Aaronson is a satisfactory replacement against the lesser sides, we've yet to see what he's like against good opposition, but it's promising.

[1964white]

Fck the pundits they haven't a clue, in this new era KP will not be missed at all (unless he went 4-1-4-1) but even then it wouldn't be the same 4-1-4-1 as Berts 4-1-4-1.

Raphinha will only be missed because individually he's a class act, up to now Aaronson is a satisfactory replacement against the lesser sides, we've yet to see what he's like against good opposition, but it's promising.

Weirdly enough, Raphinha rarely performed well vs the big PL clubs as he did when he was playing for his native country Brazil, but then he did have great players around him.

[Rover]

My concern with Marsch isn't his nationality; it's the narrow tactics!
Wolves had a chat at half-time and started playing diagonals behind our advanced full backs.
Marsch changed it when he brought on Summerville to mark Nouri. So; he can and will change tactics when required, unlike MB.

He didn't need to chase this game; it will be interesting to see what he does when we're 2- nil down with 20 minutes to go?

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Thoughts on Marsch ball after first game. It's very high energy. I think Roca and Rodrigo got subbed because they were knackered.

That obviously ties into why Marsch likes to rotate players. I'm sure tactics will be more high energy now given the 5 subs rule.

For some reason there are some fans who don't seem to realise that Marsch uses a style of play which is quite similar to Bielsa's - but with modifications such as zonal marking and less use of the wings. Plus the use of two DMs. However it's still the same high energy game with a lot of running and a lot of pressing, plus the FBs bombing forward whenever possible - which at times creates the same vulnerabilities as under the previous manager.

It's amusing to hear some people voice concerns about the FBs getting caught high up the field, when it's no different to what happened under Bielsa's tenure. However the zonal marking makes the team generally less vulnerable defensively - even though IMO we have CBs who are not quite good enough at this level. Haaland versus Llorente will be interesting.... A man versus a boy I would think...

Rotation is an obvious necessity when you are asking players to expend so much energy, but the previous manager couldn't see that, nor the defensive weaknesses caused by man marking. IMO Jesse has taken the positive aspects of a high energy, high pressing game and modified it to make it far more pragmatic and less gung ho. Just look at how many goals we have conceded since he took over compared to the average conceded in the season up to when Marsch was appointed.

Quote from one of the tabloids last Sunday ;

' Leeds still run a lot. They still press with intensity and are at their best when games are stretched and cluttered. But they have ditched certain principles, like the man-for-man defending. "

[Byebyegeegee]

I couldn’t watch the match unfortunately so was reduced to listening to it on the radio but from what I heard and what I’ve seen and read since Marsch got his tactics spot on.

We went behind early on but didn’t panic, stuck to our game plan and slowly but surely got back into the match. Clearly Lage had identified some weaknesses and changed his tactics after half time which put us under pressure for a while until Marsch got a handle on the problem and trumped Lage’s tactical changes with some clever substitutions and tactical changes of his own. After which we scored almost immediately and went on to win the game fairly comfortably.

Also I like the fact that Marsch gave back as good as he got (and more) in the posturing stakes at the end of the game from the sore loser Lage.

[Chilli D]

The biggest thing for me is JM will readily make substitutions if things aren't working or players are tiring.
Hate making comparisons but MB's changes during games were so predictable and I don't think he trusted youth and the limited game time Joffy was given despite Bamford's injury shows this.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

The biggest thing for me is JM will readily make substitutions if things aren't working or players are tiring.
Hate making comparisons but MB's changes during games were so predictable and I don't think he trusted youth and the limited game time Joffy was given despite Bamford's injury shows this.

I suspect that Marsch is a better strategist. He must be bright given the university that he went to.

[1964white]

I couldn’t watch the match unfortunately so was reduced to listening to it on the radio but from what I heard and what I’ve seen and read since Marsch got his tactics spot on.

We went behind early on but didn’t panic, stuck to our game plan and slowly but surely got back into the match. Clearly Lage had identified some weaknesses and changed his tactics after half time which put us under pressure for a while until Marsch got a handle on the problem and trumped Lage’s tactical changes with some clever substitutions and tactical changes of his own. After which we scored almost immediately and went on to win the game fairly comfortably.

Also I like the fact that Marsch gave back as good as he got (and more) in the posturing stakes at the end of the game from the sore loser Lage.

Weirdly, some of our fans question his management to the extent he is clueless

With the limited amount of experience on our bench, I thought his subs were brave & adventurous, more importantly effective.

[weasel]

The biggest thing for me is JM will readily make substitutions if things aren't working or players are tiring.
Hate making comparisons but MB's changes during games were so predictable and I don't think he trusted youth and the limited game time Joffy was given despite Bamford's injury shows this.

I think KP may take a differing view giving how he was hauled off before half time by Bielsa when things weren't working.

Or similarly when he took Bamford and Costa off at half time against Fulham when we were leading 1-0 with the goal scored by Bamford and the assit being from Costa. We went on to win 3-0.

[Kennyb41]

I think KP may take a differing view giving how he was hauled off before half time by Bielsa when things weren't working.

Or similarly when he took Bamford and Costa off at half time against Fulham when we were leading 1-0 with the goal scored by Bamford and the assit being from Costa. We went on to win 3-0.

^ Exactly.

Most here will never even observe things like that, goes straight over their bonce.

Tactical.

Jesse is showing slight glimpes of it.

[Cjay]

Jesse got his subs spot on.

Wolves were well on top and we needed an extra body in midfield.

So he took Rodrigo off and on came Klich who likely can't do 90mins anymore but he can do 20min cameos.

His intelligence and know how helped us regain control.

He then realised Bamford was tiring and on came Gelhardt to give the Wolves defence something else to think about.

And similar with Aaronson as well as knowing the very fast Summerville would give us something on the break.

He was spot on.

Although I don't rate Greenwood, certainly not as a midfielder but clearly that is his Tyler.

However Roca was knackered so someone was needed

[Kennyb41]

Cjay, why do you give me the impression you read everybody elses posts, then in hindsight pick out their best bits and claim them.

Just a thought.

Do your observations a little earlier, it really will make them look like your own .

[Cjay]

Cjay,why do you give me the impression you read everybody elses posts, then in hindsight pick out their best bits and claim them.

Just a thought.

Do your observations a little earlier, it really will make them look like your own .

Yep that's what I do, you got me.

[Kennyb41]

Jesse got his subs spot on. ( Already been said)

Wolves were well on top and we needed an extra body in midfield. (Been said already)

So he took Rodrigo off and on came Klich who likely can't do 90mins anymore but he can do 20min cameos. (cameos been mentioned)

His intelligence and know how helped us regain control. (Been said)

He then realised Bamford was tiring and on came Gelhardt to give the Wolves defence something else to think about. (It was the 85th minute and Bamford our only striker)

And similar with Aaronson as well as knowing the very fast Summerville would give us something on the break. (Also just mins left, so why risk injury)

He was spot on. (Already been said)

Although I don't rate Greenwood, certainly not as a midfielder but clearly that is his Tyler. (Greenwood is nowhere near 'his Tyler' totally different altogether, and it's interesting how he's using him)

However Roca was knackered so someone was needed ( change of formation was what was needed)

[andrewjohnsmith]

Rotation is an obvious necessity when you are asking players to expend so much energy, but the previous manager couldn't see that, nor the defensive weaknesses caused by man marking. IMO Jesse has taken the positive aspects of a high energy, high pressing game and modified it to make it far more pragmatic and less gung ho. Just look at how many goals we have conceded since he took over compared to the average conceded in the season up to when Marsch was appointed.

Quote from one of the tabloids last Sunday ;

' Leeds still run a lot. They still press with intensity and are at their best when games are stretched and cluttered. But they have ditched certain principles, like the man-for-man defending. "

Yeah. That's kind of where I was going. Maybe players don't have to train to the same physical extents - murderball - due to Marsch's preference towards squad rotation. Plus, I was saying the 5 subs will help us in that regard. Remember the end of the promotion season when we could play Pablo for 45 minutes due to the Covid 5-sub rule. I think Klich could be a key in that regard - if he stickes around. He might start some games then come off after 45 or 60 minutes. Again - a bigger first team squad will really help.

[Byebyegeegee]

Most here will never even observe things like that, goes straight over their bonce.

Well, I think we can all agree, being such clueless football ignoramuses, that it’s very kind of you to stay with us on this forum Ken so that you can treat us all to the benefit of your eruditely written and cultured posts and to avail us of your clearly unparalleled tactical knowledge. I’m sure we are all extremely grateful.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Well, I think we can all agree, being such clueless football ignoramuses, that it’s very kind of you to stay with us on this forum Ken so that you can treat us all to the benefit of your eruditely written and cultured posts and to avail us of your clearly unparalleled tactical knowledge. I’m sure we are all extremely grateful.