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Re: Raphinha- Barcelona to submit opening £25mil offer with £5mill in add ons.

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Scoobychief wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 12:29 pm apparently daily mirror reporting IF true value leeds united has put on raph and phillips apparently both valued at 50m. and thats what i said all along we will not get more for raph and certainly not more for phillips. hope we get the full 50m for raphinha though.
We are talking way too low.

Brazil forward coming into the prime of his life.

Barca will make squillions of Raph off pitch as well.
Poster boy stuff.

He may want to go but we dont need to sell.
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Spanish media now reporting we are playing hardball and are refusing to be bullied by Barcelona and Deco.

:)

I strongly suspect Deco has sold Barcelona a fantasy deal that Barcelona now are starting to realise is nonsense.

£70mil Radz as a starting bid :love:
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I hope and pray this is correct and not some Barca/Deco smokescreen to outsmart us.
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The only cub who's managed to stand up to Real and Barca atm is PSG, but they're backed with the wealth of a country. Unfortunately they tend to get their own way, I just hope we don't buckle too easily.
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Maybe send someone out with the surname Nelson with an eyepatch on.
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Cjay wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:30 pm Spanish media now reporting we are playing hardball and are refusing to be bullied by Barcelona and Deco.

:)

I strongly suspect Deco has sold Barcelona a fantasy deal that Barcelona now are starting to realise is nonsense.

£70mil Radz as a starting bid :love:
Likely Barca were completely desperate for us to get relegated so they could get a marquee signing on the cheap. Doubt they have the funds now to compete with other clubs who may be interested now there is no fixed release clause.
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weasel wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:34 pm Likely Barca were completely desperate for us to get relegated so they could get a marquee signing on the cheap. Doubt they have the funds now to compete with other clubs who may be interested now there is no fixed release clause.
This seems likely. Excellent analysis.
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weasel wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 2:34 pm Likely Barca were completely desperate for us to get relegated so they could get a marquee signing on the cheap. Doubt they have the funds now to compete with other clubs who may be interested now there is no fixed release clause.
This is it.
Ideally we should try and negotiate a salary increase for him, with an understanding he will be sold in January after the WC should he choose to leave at that time (he may not, as we could be chasing Europe).
Alternately, we need a bidding war and hold firm till at least 75M. While I would prefer he plays outside the prem I don't see anyone apart from PSG able to afford him.

Liverpool a possible destination with Mane likely gone but they never seem to spend upwards of 50M on a single player.
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If we sell now what if he has a brilliant WC. Then what is he worth if it's 70 now?
I'd gamble. And it's not really that much of a gamble. Barca would reap the rewards if we do cave in & sell
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Just imagine though if he’s decided to stay at Leeds and thought “I love Yorkshire, I don’t need the warm weather” 😂
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SOUTH STAND wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 7:27 pm Just imagine though if he’s decided to stay at Leeds and thought “I love Yorkshire, I don’t need the warm weather” 😂
I'd rather live in Yorkshire** than in Barcelona, but I'm weird and I'm not from Brazil.

** Harrogate, ideally, if I could afford it and if Her Majesty's Government would allow it.
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I'm slightly indifferent about the price we get. Ultimately, it's Radrizzani's wallet, I don't overthink how much goes in or comes out of it. If we get 40 million and spend 20 on a decent player, that's better than getting 80 and blowing 50 on a flop. The price is only an element of a far more involved process with far more complex aspects. I don't lie awake and think...did we pay too much for Harrison.
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Yeah that's a point, we don't know Radz long term plans, if he gets his timing right (well he is gonna know the exact date he hands over the reins innit)

American thieves take over on 21st August 2022, Radz completely washes his hands of anything Leeds.

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CanuckMightyWhite wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 3:19 pm This is it.
Ideally we should try and negotiate a salary increase for him, with an understanding he will be sold in January after the WC should he choose to leave at that time (he may not, as we could be chasing Europe).
Alternately, we need a bidding war and hold firm till at least 75M. While I would prefer he plays outside the prem I don't see anyone apart from PSG able to afford him.

Liverpool a possible destination with Mane likely gone but they never seem to spend upwards of 50M on a single player.
Liverpool over recent years do seem to have to sell to buy , Suarez , Coutinho , Torres etc , but on the whole over the time it's done them quite well......but you don't sell to the buyer on the cheap , get full market value or more if you can . Southampton to a lesser degree have done the same and it's kept them in the PL . I think you have to be smart when this is your strategy and owners don't want to fork out much of their own money .
Maybe we should ask Barca about season tickets but tell them we only want to pay one third of what they are asking 😁
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I'm not sure they've had to sell CW.

Shrewd business i'd say, £130m for Coutinho, then look how they went and spent it.

I wouldn't mind finding owners like that, but preferably a loaded Leeds fan.

We have to hold out here and look like we're prepared to say ' fck off until you get to talking the right amount, and tell the player, you're staying put until then' the ball should be in our court.

They've started low as if to try and set a mark of how high they'll go, fck that mind games stuff right off.

Get your own figure in your mind £100m and stick to it.
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Tighthead wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 12:42 pm Maybe send someone out with the surname Nelson with an eyepatch on.
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 5:57 am Yeah that's a point, we don't know Radz long term plans, if he gets his timing right (well he is gonna know the exact date he hands over the reins innit)

American thieves take over on 21st August 2022, Radz completely washes his hands of anything Leeds.

Radz - " make sure i've got all i can before 20th August 2022"
Dont forget that the money doesnt go into Radz wallet, it goes into the club.

49ersalready own just less of 50% of the club so it isnt as simple as Radz pocketing all the cash in the pot.
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Raphinha of the Rosary.

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I nicked this from the Athletic..

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Raphinha of the Rosary: Framing a masterpiece


Adrian Dennis has traversed the world in pursuit of sports photography, his career and life for 30 years. From World Cups to Ashes tours, Olympic Games and Wimbledon, one of the golden rules of the job is to avoid making assumptions about what the story will be.

Last Sunday at Brentford was an exception to that rule, as shown by the entire corps of match-day photographers migrating towards the away end before a ball had been kicked.

Brentford were safe from relegation on the final day of the Premier League season and in the nicest possible sense, no one cared about them. Leeds United were not and, as a consequence, cameras pointed their way all afternoon, looking for tears, jubilation or whatever the 90 minutes provoked.

Dennis, a staffer with Agence France-Presse (AFP), had given up on the football itself as stoppage time arrived. By that stage, results at Brentford and elsewhere were going for Leeds and the away end was starting to bounce, whipped up by the scent of survival.

“I made a decision to forget about what was happening on the pitch,” Dennis says. “I’d got some shots of the game — Raphinha’s penalty, a few other moments — but I hedged my bets by focusing on the fans and ignoring the last few minutes (of play) completely.

“For a photographer, the story of the day isn’t usually clear-cut. On Sunday, all of us were at the away end because we knew what we were looking for. But even then, the unexpected still happens sometimes.”

Dennis was in prime position at the final whistle as Leeds, in celebration, swarmed towards one corner of Brentford’s stadium. He was ready to react when the visitors’ Brazil forward Raphinha surprised everyone by clambering into the away end. Numerous fellow snappers had full view of it too, many of them capturing the same shot, but it was Dennis’ version that caught fire online: a shirtless Raphinha halfway up the stand, elevated above the gleeful fans around him (he was standing on a wall dividing its upper and lower sections), abdominal muscles rippling and a Brazilian flag swinging around his head.

That was it, the crowning moment; the meaning of the entire day frozen in time.

“I was rushing to get the photographs back to my desk so when I first looked at it, I was scrolling on the back of my camera, looking at a one-inch screen,” Dennis says. “It was the one that jumped out at me but, because of time pressure and everything else, you send it through and carry on.

“When he went into the crowd, I was aware that something good was happening. There was sudden movement as soon as I spotted him. I knew that was the picture. Players don’t often do that, there are so many rules about encroachment these days. Those moments can be few and far between.”


(Photo: Adrian Dennis/AFP via Getty Images)
Filters were quickly added to a version on Twitter, giving it the look of a renaissance painting.

Someone likened it to Madonna of the Rosary, a painting completed by the Italian artist Caravaggio in the early 17th century, depicting the Virgin Mary on a throne with Jesus in her arms and people on their knees in front of her. In Dennis’ photo, Raphinha’s partner, Taia, is smiling brightly to the right of him and it was Taia he had sought out after the final whistle, scaling a fence between the sections and helped over that wall by the supporters around her. The orchestra is out of control and Raphinha is the conductor.

Ross O’Connor, a 30-year-old Leeds fan from Dublin in the Republic of Ireland, is at the front of the image, bare-chested with one fist raised. He had the job of supporting Raphinha’s right foot as the Brazilian scaled the fence at the back of the lower tier.

“He appeared from nowhere,” O’Connor says. “It was crazy at full-time and to start with, I was keeping my eyes on Kalvin Phillips, to see his reaction. Then there was this commotion and, before you know it, Raphinha’s there, right next to us.


Ross O’Connor helps Raphinha up towards his partner Taia (Photo: Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)
“He had to get over this wall, this fence, so I helped to lift him up, pushing his right foot. It’s only today that I’ve thought to myself, ‘I’m pleased I was careful, that bit of him’s worth a lot of money!’. We’d realised early in the game that his girlfriend was sitting behind us so it was pretty obvious where he was going, but it didn’t feel real. I thought he’d get mobbed — absolutely mobbed. But to be fair, and because it was such a surprise to see him, people actually gave him some space.”

O’Connor’s phone was out of battery by then so it was not until Sunday evening that he twigged about an image that was racking up likes on Twitter by the thousands.

“When I switched the phone on, it was message after message,” he says. “The pictures had gone everywhere and everyone was saying, ‘That looks like you…’. The only downside of it was me and my bare chest.

“It’s a shame I don’t have a stomach like Raphinha’s.”

Further back in the stand, Jay Wright, a 33-year-old greenkeeper from Maidenhead in Berkshire, ended up with Raphinha standing next to him, close enough to see the finest detail of his tattoos. Wright is also there in Dennis’ photograph, face virtually hidden but 1992 vintage Leeds shirt clear to see and phone in hand. He captured a video of Raphinha, stripped down to his white GPS vest and twirling that Brazil flag, which spread as widely on social media as Dennis’ photograph.


“As soon as I saw him, I grabbed him and shouted something like, ‘Gracias, Raphinha!’,” Wright says. “I wasn’t really sure what to do except hug him — and then eventually get off him.

“I had no idea he was heading our way until he was right beside me. I hadn’t seen him climb into the away end. I’d seen someone with a white vest coming through the stand and my first thought, stupidly, was, ‘He’s got hair just like Raphinha’. Then it was a case of, ‘Oh my God, it is Raphinha!’.

“It’s just about the most surreal moment of my life.

“Since then, it’s been non-stop notifications. I was on Raphinha’s Instagram story, on Sky Sports, everywhere. It took until the train home for me to get my head around it, the thought that someone who could go on to be a massive superstar was right there with us. What made it more special for me was my obsession with Brazil when I was a child. I was Brazil-obsessed and my favourite player by a million miles growing up was Ronaldo — R9. I’m a closet follower of theirs, which makes the player more special too — Leeds and Brazilian.”

A later frame of Raphinha embracing Taia, taken by Craig Mercer for MB Media and Getty Images, shows Wright more clearly, right behind the couple in the white Leeds shirt with sunglasses tucked in the collar — and there’s O’Connor, bottom left, still punching the air.


(Photo: Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)
The season just gone was horrible for Leeds, a year of decline that cost beloved head coach Marcelo Bielsa his job and very nearly cost the club their place in the Premier League after just two years back following 16 agonising campaigns in the second and even third tiers. Yet Sunday created memories for life, improbably making a dreadful campaign almost loveable.

Raphinha’s appearance against Brentford might be his last for the Yorkshire club, with plenty of summer transfer whispers swirling, but Dennis’ image of him is a romantic one, oozing the sensation that football is supposed to inspire.

O’Connor and Wright both agree that they emerged from that tense final day with affection for a year which, until last weekend, everyone of a Leeds persuadion, to a man and woman, had hated. Their 2021-22 season became a sporting version of Stockholm Syndrome.

“I’ll 100 per cent remember it for the right reasons now,” O’Connor says. “I didn’t enjoy the game at Brentford. There was loads of false information about what was happening at Burnley (whose result against Newcastle at home Leeds had to better), what the score was. But in the end, it feels like one of your best days following the club. You can see that in the photo, what it means to all of us. And Raphinha as well.”

Wright went home thinking the same. “For me, it completely transforms my outlook on it,” he says. “It’s not been a good season but in the end, we got the day at Brentford.”

The aftermath of the game was the Raphinha show: the winger in the away end and then traipsing the length of the pitch on his knees — an apparent thanks to God for delivering Leeds from relegation. He finished with a team-leading 11 league goals, and the club’s Player of the Year award can only be his.

“The photo of him, everything about it appealed to me,” Dennis says. “You’ve got his huge, beaming smile, the juxtaposition of the flag twirling around his head, the faces, and the reaction around him.

“I’d had a wide-angled lens on the away end during the game and all you saw was faces going through torture. That picture is the opposite and on a day like that, you’re looking for something like it.”

Dennis’ only hope is that if Raphinha is destined to sign elsewhere this summer, he signs him a copy of the photo before he goes
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Wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him now Bill, he'll be pilfering somewhere.
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 2:36 pm Wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him now Bill, he'll be pilfering somewhere.
The days of lump sum transfer fees are over Ken.

Sales both in and out are paid in instalments now so there is no actual way that Radz could fill his coffers from the loot of any sale. Especially if he has already sold the club ( and recall he only owns just over half)

Not saying I trust him, just responding to the cheap shots thrown around on here like sweeties most day.

Anyhow I am off.

The sun is out, there is beer in the fridge and the barbi is heating up.
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