Covid jab ..🤔

[VoiceofaLurker]

To simplify the above, Banks, the IMF, governments, international financiers and big businesses are conspiring through their media empires to force through big changes whether you like it or not.

The above ruling elites are steering humanity toward accepting an altered human genome.
The technology to alter ones genetics already exists and is now being pushed upon the unsuspecting. Imagine an elephant with bananas growing on its back! In theory it is now possible to achieve this with a little practice and as we witness at present also relatively easy in getting the public on side.

It's now down to the individual to decide their own fates, with many like me choosing not to listen to the constant lies offered by our filthy rich ruling elites.

Congratulations on your degree from the University of Youtube. I'm happy for you to not have the vacine as long as you waive your right to any treatment should you get it. Thanks for prolonging the situation for the rest of us, much appreciated.

VOAL.

[The Subhuman]

Again please explain to me what are you worried about if you've had the jab ... Having the jab doesn't mean you can't pass covid on but it does mean you should be personally protected or what's the point having it ... So the vulnerable become those that don't get the jab.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Think he is suggesting the vaccine is an underhand way of altering genetic makeup. Why the government would want to do this or place trackers in people when they can do that by following a phone who knows.. n another note I personally would be for dna testing at birth in order to catch criminals straight off the bat, I see the the flipside of manipulation by government but not necessarily in th UK. I might add I'm in the nothing to hide nothing to worry about camp.

[rab_rant]

leon and hector you are protected what have you got to worry about? You are safe you have had the jab.

/newspeak on
Oh and here is a little poem especially for the pair of you. You are heros and champions with hearts full of love for your fellow man. if only there were more folk just like you, the world would be a much better place.
/newspeak off

https://youtu.be/Db_sfCLpjaI

[1964white]

leon and hector you are protected what have you got to worry about? You are safe you have had the jab.

/newspeak on
Oh and here is a little poem especially for the pair of you. You are heros and champions with hearts full of love for your fellow man. if only there were more folk just like you, the world would be a much better place.
/newspeak off

https://youtu.be/Db_sfCLpjaI

Thank you Rab

[1964white]

Congratulations on your degree from the University of Youtube. I'm happy for you to not have the vacine as long as you waive your right to any treatment should you get it. Thanks for prolonging the situation for the rest of us, much appreciated.

VOAL.

Welcome back Lurker

Oh these types will soon come bleating for treatment putting more expense/burden on the NHS should they contract covid, no doubt about that. I wonder if they'll be rejecting certain drugs to aid their recovery

[Azkal]

It is a mistake to think that vaccines from 20-30 years ago or similar to this new vaccine. This new vaccine is novel new technology since it incorporates messenger RNA into your own genome.

The old vaccines used attenuated viruses while this new vaccine uses RNA code which is used to produce a protein for the spike of the Covid virus

It would be on an error and a simplification to believe that the processes were in any way similar.

Not wishing to get in to this debate, try to avoid these type of subjects like a virus However I am not sure that you are factually correct depending on vaccine availability in ones geographic locale. To my understanding there are vaccines such as Pfizer-BioNTech & Moderna that are based upon RNA or mRNA technology as you have highlighted. However there are a number of C-19 vaccines that are based upon well established technologies such as "Whole Virus', & 'Protein Subunit', in which technologies are used in Hepatitis A, B, Rabies, Polio, Shingles, Meningococcal, Pneumococcal disease vaccines. I am also under the impression that the technology used to make the Non-Replicating Viral Vector type vaccines such as AstraZeneca & Sputnik are fairly well established technologies. However as I am not an expert this is only based upon my own personal research.

[rab_rant]

Not wishing to get in to this debate, try to avoid these type of subjects like a virus However I am not sure that you are factually correct depending on vaccine availability in ones geographic locale. To my understanding there are vaccines such as Pfizer-BioNTech & Moderna that are based upon RNA or mRNA technology as you have highlighted. However there are a number of C-19 vaccines that are based upon well established technologies such as "Whole Virus', & 'Protein Subunit', in which technologies are used in Hepatitis A, B, Rabies, Polio, Shingles, Meningococcal, Pneumococcal disease vaccines. I am also under the impression that the technology used to make the Non-Replicating Viral Vector type vaccines such as AstraZeneca & Sputnik are fairly well established technologies. However as I am not an expert this is only based upon my own personal research.

Perhaps it would be better to call the Pfizer jab a novel gene therapy.
But perhaps there would be less uptake and more apprehension if it
was called that, so the powers that be have decided to call it a vaccine.

[VoiceofaLurker]

Having the vaccine doesn't protect anyone else, it only protects you. You can still transmit the virus to other people.

But the lockdown restrictions will remain until a sufficient number of the population have been vacinated and are less likely to get ill and overwhelm the NHS. So for the conspiracy theorists who believe what Bob the builder has ranted about on youtube I have absolutely no time for. I have just got back from having mine and remarkably still only have one head.

VOAL

[1964white]

Having the vaccine doesn't protect anyone else, it only protects you. You can still transmit the virus to other people.

However if you haven't been vaccinated & we encountered each other surely you are more likely to transmit the virus to me Sara?

[1964white]

No, because the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting the virus, so one is no likelier than the other. As I've already had it and recovered, I am possibly even less likely to get it than you are.

That's reassuring to know

[rab_rant]

But the lockdown restrictions will remain until a sufficient number of the population have been vacinated and are less likely to get ill and overwhelm the NHS. So for the conspiracy theorists who believe what Bob the builder has ranted about on youtube I have absolutely no time for. I have just got back from having mine and remarkably still only have one head.

VOAL

Dare I say it but this forum is for people who have had the jab
and for them to say I am OK or have only been slightly discomforted.
There is a mutual reinforcement and every one who joins the club is
congratulated.

If there are any dissenters that think the vaccine has been rushed through
with insufficient testing... using unproven gene therapy... and the drug
companies will not be liable if anything goes wrong, then these legitimate concerns
are dismissed as conspiracy theories.

They are branded as being irresponsible and scaremongers and shamed for not falling in line.

We all like anecdotal evidence that agrees with our own opinions
if someone near us dies from covid then that reinforces the idea that
we need a vaccination. If a family member get covid and recovers then
our attitude towards the disease and our perceptions of it may differ.
Personally I have seen 11 people recover from covid-19 both young and old
and perhaps that has colored my viewpoint

People can get the jab if they want to... I would not pressure them not to have it.
But coercion and shame practiced by some are despicable and I want no part of it

[VoiceofaLurker]

Dare I say it but this forum is for people who have had the jab
and for them to say I am OK or have only been slightly discomforted.
There is a mutual reinforcement and every one who joins the club is
congratulated.

If there are any dissenters that think the vaccine has been rushed through
with insufficient testing... using unproven gene therapy... and the drug
companies will not be liable if anything goes wrong, then these legitimate concerns
are dismissed as conspiracy theories.

They are branded as being irresponsible and scaremongers and shamed for not falling in line.

We all like anecdotal evidence that agrees with our own opinions
if someone near us dies from covid then that reinforces the idea that
we need a vaccination. If a family member get covid and recovers then
our attitude towards the disease and our perceptions of it may differ.
Personally I have seen 11 people recover from covid-19 both young and old
and perhaps that has colored my viewpoint

People can get the jab if they want to... I would not pressure them not to have it.
But coercion and shame practiced by some are despicable and I want no part of it

If my car breaks down I take it to a garage. In a similair vein I will bow to the people with the greater knowledge in the relevant professional body none of whom have said do not get the Jab. But again it does not matter what anyone of us thinks, the only reason restrictions will start to be eased are because of the 20+ million so far in the uk who have had the jab, to those people I doff my cap.

VOAL

[The Subhuman]

You dare say it, Rab, and, as always, your considered voice is welcomed, by me at least.

And me... You should always have the choice, in anything and especially to do with health.

[VoiceofaLurker]

You are conveniently ignoring the history of pharmaceutical companies in using fraud, suppression of evidence, and coercion to get their products on the market. That isn't a conspiracy, it's a matter of legal history. I wouldn't trust them as far as I can spit an elephant, personally, but we each have to judge for ourselves.

I'm not ignoring anything, maybe if we had a two tier system for easing lockdown for the people who have been vaccinated and those who haven't, maybe the dissenting view would be altered when forced to remain at home for the next couple of years.

VOAL

[The Subhuman]

I'm not ignoring anything, maybe if we had a two tier system for easing lockdown for the people who have been vaccinated and those who haven't, maybe the dissenting view would be altered when forced to remain at home for the next couple of years.

VOAL

Why?

[VoiceofaLurker]

Why?

One would assume that most people are not enjoying these ongoing lockdowns.
Virus appears - lockdown happens and everbody wants a vaccine to be found. Vaccine developed and pronounced safe by the relevant bodies and some people are still hesitant in receiving it.
Those people are still a potential critical covid case waiting to happen, the vaccinated still potentially could face severe illness but have done all that they can to minimise that occuring.

VOAL

[VoiceofaLurker]

Division and coercion, just what we need.

It already exists but in the opposite direction to which you are insinuating.
Anyway back to lurking.

VOAL

[hector]

It already exists but in the opposite direction to which you are insinuating.
Anyway back to lurking.

VOAL

pop back soon matie

[1964white]

It already exists but in the opposite direction to which you are insinuating.
Anyway back to lurking.

VOAL

Yes pop back soon Lurker & we can discuss how influential Bamford has been this season