weasel wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:48 am
I think people fail to appreciate how Farke has the team moving for each other. Bielsa's team was meticulously well drilled as is Fark Bielsa got his side to pass quickly with the 'reward v risk' ethos Farke prefers them to take less risks. However both teams are drilled the same way in terms of moving in advance so that the moves don't break down.
Lots of teams try to play out from the back but struggle. For the main we do it extremely well and make it look really easy but it isn't. Look at the match v Watford where for a 10 minute spell they made it really uncomfortable for us to play it out from the back - that was how it looks when teams that aren't well drilled try to pass out from the back. But we quickly regained our composure and comfortably saw out the half.
We play out from the back well I agree but at the same time we aren't really pressed so it's not exactly difficult.
It's also noticeable that Bielsa obviously encouraged far more risk hence why we got those lovely goals which often went viral.
Farke on the other hand is much safer, it does the same thing but its done in a far easier way with very little risk taken.
It doesn't require the level of coaching the Bielsa one did because its far slower and far safer.
I'm sure what we do under Farke isn't really easy but it's not really hard either.
Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:30 am
I’ve mentioned previously Cjay, I don’t agree with you on the stats stuff, but I’ll back you up with the stuff about the crowd.
It's noticeable most games BB.
You can hear a pin drop for long periods.
Isn't because we have quiet fans, we clearly don't, so must be linked to what they are watching?
Jammy 07 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:16 am
On the Piroe debate we seemed to see yesterday exactly what some of us have been calling for. Firstly with the threat of his pace Joseph forced the QPR defence to retreat a few yards which always helps our wingers and full backs to push up in the wide areas. One particular example stood out for me when Jospeh picked a ball up in a similar position to what Piroe might have done and then played it out wide, the difference then though was he sprinted at top speed through the centre forward position taking all the central defenders with him which completely opened up the whole at the edge of the box for a pulled back cross. Nothing came of it but the pace he showed stood out.
Then when Piroe came on after 70 mins he had the finishing ability to take the late chance the came this way against a team that was desperately pushing for the equaliser.
So perfect really and if we'd used this tactic against Millwall midweek we might have seen a better outcome.
Spot on Jammy some don't see it.
Just watch re-watch 180 minutes of the Bristol City & Millwall games & you would realise how poor we were without the energy of Joseph.
Johnsie123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:59 pm
When is DF going to play schmit he has got to be worth a go or why would DF buy him just to sit on the bench . On the subject of Piroe i like the guy but i think he might just be used from the subs bench by DF but i honestly think he is better than that the others need to wprk with Piroe we are missing way to many chances to be promoted .
Both points have been heavily discussed
Schmidt is either short of fitness or not showing Farke what he wants to see in training. We need him right after the international break when we have 3 games in a week and Firpo missing two of them. Hopefully the break will be good for Schmidt and Farke
Piroe has always showed his best production from the bench. As you say, he's a better player than that. The number 9 starting role is a long standing debate on the forum and nobody has grabbed it and made it their own.
Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:22 pm
It’s mostly general chatter I hear most games now, folk talking amongst themselves.
I’m in the North Stand, a rowdier section of the ground, but even there it’s very quiet these days compared to a few years back.
I used to come home from games hoarse from all the singing I was doing, no longer the case.
May be a part of football too. I think crowds in football as a whole are getting quieter. Clubs are promoting the game to the suits and the tourists - people who attend one game a year. It softens the atmosphere. Most are probably showing up nowadays to hear the songs rather than sing the songs.
Cjay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:46 pm
We play out from the back well I agree but at the same time we aren't really pressed so it's not exactly difficult.
Could it be we are not really pressed because they come to ER with ten men behind the ball, so they rarely venture near our box to press us efficiently.
andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:30 pm
May be a part of football too. I think crowds in football as a whole are getting quieter. Clubs are promoting the game to the suits and the tourists - people who attend one game a year. It softens the atmosphere. Most are probably showing up nowadays to hear the songs rather than sing the songs.
We've inherited a new set of fans since the Bielsa era!
Remember the 20k/23k home attendances on a regular basis, I recall 17k at a midweek match against Leicester City.
1964white wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:32 pm
Could it be we are not really pressed because they come to ER with ten men behind the ball, so they rarely venture near our box to press us efficiently.
There was a point against Plymouth. We were 3 up already. Plymouth tried to press Meslier for what was probably the one and only time. The ball went quickly out to the right side, upfield and we created a goal chance in a matter of a few seconds. It really caught my attention because it was lightening quick.
It seems obvious then that teams refuse to press us because they know how deadly and incisive we can be if they do.
andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:38 pm
There was a point against Plymouth. We were 3 up already. Plymouth tried to press Meslier for what was probably the one and only time. The ball went quickly out to the right side, upfield and we created a goal chance in a matter of a few seconds. It really caught my attention because it was lightening quick.
It seems obvious then that teams refuse to press us because they know how deadly and incisive we can be if they do.
I suspect the also-rans don't use the negative approach against the likes of Sunderland, Burnley & the Blunts as they do at ER.
andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:30 pm
May be a part of football too. I think crowds in football as a whole are getting quieter. Clubs are promoting the game to the suits and the tourists - people who attend one game a year. It softens the atmosphere. Most are probably showing up nowadays to hear the songs rather than sing the songs.
It’s generally ST holders near me Andrew, and we’ve been going years and years. The West and East stands tend to be the suits and tourists.
We aren’t getting any younger, of course, perhaps that’s a contributing factor but the style of football definitely doesn’t inspire excitement.
Don’t cry because you said goodbye to your pet, smile because you said hello
Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:27 pm
It’s generally ST holders near me Andrew, and we’ve been going years and years. The West and East stands tend to be the suits and tourists.
We aren’t getting any younger, of course, perhaps that’s a contributing factor but the style of football definitely doesn’t inspire excitement.
Me and the Mrs are ST holders in the East Stand lower, and we are definitely not tourists.
How terribly dare you
Johnthewhite wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:19 pm
Me and the Mrs are ST holders in the East Stand lower, and we are definitely not tourists.
How terribly dare you
some don't see it.
