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Barlow Boy wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 1:05 pm We will have to wait for someone’s autobiography for that one.
And even then ….
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The Subhuman wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 1:10 pm And even then ….
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The problem he faced and which SA will have to overcome is the limitations in defence and midfield we have. You could probably add forward to that, but we are not a goal shy team per se. We have goals no doubt.

Defensively we are a mess, positional awareness, anticipation and concentration are in short supply.

I am unconvinced he will be able to solve these issues to a degree that will make a difference unless Lady Luck truly shines on us and when we do make a mistake we actually get away with it for once.

It is interesting that SA’s philosophy is to pass the ball forwards, he wants his midfielders to have the ball played into them whilst on the half turn, he hates players receiving the ball facing their own goal.
If this is the case neither Roca or Forshaw should have a place in the team. Gyabi, McKennie and Aaronson are comfortable taking the ball on the half turn. It will be interesting to see if he adheres to that principle.
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Good luck Javi

Will probably never know what went wrong here but seemed a decent sort and a competent guy
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Watford sack & appoint managers more often than the wind changes direction.
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Cjay wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 1:08 pm
Good luck Javi

Will probably never know what went wrong here but seemed a decent sort and a competent guy
I would echo your comments. I thought he seemed to be a decent manager and had us doing well till the CP half time. I will be curious to see how well he does back at Watford and hope he does well.
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weasel wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 2:16 pm I would echo your comments. I thought he seemed to be a decent manager and had us doing well till the CP half time. I will be curious to see how well he does back at Watford and hope he does well.
His CV reasonably solid.

Couple of promotions, some top 10 La Liga finishes with a lesser team.

Mid table with Watford and a cup final.

Not without a blip but plenty of managers would be happy with that in a 15 odd year managerial career.

And for us he improved things to begin with, but something clearly went wrong?

I wonder if a revolt? Players signed to play the daft MarschBall wanting to return to it maybe?

Whatever happened our defence opened up and the goals flowed at the wrong end
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Cjay wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 5:51 pm His CV reasonably solid.

Couple of promotions, some top 10 La Liga finishes with a lesser team.

Mid table with Watford and a cup final.

Not without a blip but plenty of managers would be happy with that in a 15 odd year managerial career.

And for us he improved things to begin with, but something clearly went wrong?

I wonder if a revolt? Players signed to play the daft MarschBall wanting to return to it maybe?

Whatever happened our defence opened up and the goals flowed at the wrong end
I recall towards the ending of his tenure there were rumblings of the younger players calling for leadership from some of the senior players.
I think Gnoto and Summerville were probably upset at the likes of Roca and McKennie who just seemed disinterested.

Perhaps one day we will hear what happened.
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Irish Ian wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 7:04 pm I recall towards the ending of his tenure there were rumblings of the younger players calling for leadership from some of the senior players.
I think Gnoto and Summerville were probably upset at the likes of Roca and McKennie who just seemed disinterested.

Perhaps one day we will hear what happened.
Ayling & Coops will know the truth but I doubt they'll be spilling the beans anytime soon.
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Jammy 07 wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 7:20 pm Ayling & Coops will know the truth but I doubt they'll be spilling the beans anytime soon.
Yes maybe one day we will read about it.
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Cjay wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 1:08 pm

Good luck Javi

Will probably never know what went wrong here but seemed a decent sort and a competent guy
I wish him the best. Thought he did a reasonable job for us. Still think we stood a better chance of staying up with him at the helm than with Big Sam. I would pay to have been a fly on the wall of our half time and post game locker rooms of that Palace match. Something strange went down and we never recovered.
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weasel wrote: Wed Oct 08, 2025 2:16 pm I would echo your comments. I thought he seemed to be a decent manager and had us doing well till the CP half time. I will be curious to see how well he does back at Watford and hope he does well.
Weasel, you and Cjay have been agreeing too much of late. We need you two to get back to the fisticuffs, especially during this boring international break. :)

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Quietly done a very good job since taking over Watford again.

26 points from 15 games.

Top of the Championship form table over the last 12 games.

3 wins in a row, unbeaten in 6.

Now in the playoff places.
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Cjay wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:29 am Quietly done a very good job since taking over Watford again.

26 points from 15 games.

Top of the Championship form table over the last 12 games.

3 wins in a row, unbeaten in 6.

Now in the playoff places.
Seemed a decent manager for us until the wheels seemed to fall off. Whether the truth will ever come out...

Seemed to just do the basic things very well. I hope he does well.
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Really happy for Javi. Classy guy. Something weird happened in the Crystal Palace dressing room at halftime, which derailed his tenure. Have always thought he was a bit unlucky here.
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Javi on quite a run

3 up vs Birmingham

Will move up to 4th 4 wins in a row

28 points from 16
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28 points from 16 games is only 1.75 points per game. When Farke was getting less than 2 points per game it was HIGHLITED and said its not good enough :)
Now apparently 1.75 points per game is very good :duno:
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Erm Farke totally different situation.

Gracia had no say on the squad, no pre season, no Premier league players or budget.

We spent more on Ethan Ampadu than Watford spent all summer or more on Joe Rodon than Watford spent in 2 seasons.

He's done fantastic Gracia
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