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Breakfast Debate The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 3rd July) - St Mary's Standoff as Saints Refuse to Budge on Shea Charles

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Good Morning. It's Friday 3rd July, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


St Mary's Standoff as Saints Refuse to Budge on Shea Charles

Southampton are digging their heels in as they prepare to reject a third offer from Leeds United for Northern Ireland International midfielder Shea Charles, despite mounting financial pressure on the South Coast club. The Whites submitted a third bid on Thursday, thought to be worth £23m upfront with a further £7 million in performance-related add-ons. However, the Saints are holding out for a guaranteed £30 million fee, leaving the Elland Road side facing an uphill battle to secure the 22-year-old's signature.

Southampton face a severe financial crisis this summer, primarily triggered by their shock expulsion from the Championship play-offs following the controversial "Spygate part deux" saga. The club recently filed financial accounts revealing a staggering £53.9 million pre-tax loss, while entering the summer transfer window owing over £100 million to creditors. Of particular concern is the £99 million in outstanding, unpaid transfer fees from previous player acquisitions, a figure that significantly drains the club's daily operating cash.

A large portion of their debt is owed to their parent company, Sport Republic. Under PSR rules, owner loans are either exempted or heavily cushioned so they do not trigger immediate point deductions. However, it will significantly drain their daily operating cash. Whilst they have found a way to dodge sanctions, the transition from PSR to Squad Cost Ratio (SCR) will heavily restrict their squad building and spending power moving forward.

Southampton are banking on interest from Crystal Palace and Atalanta to drive the price up, but for many Leeds fans, it's no longer a gamble worth taking, especially when you consider that Hayden Hackney (widely considered the best midfielder in the Championship) only fetched £16.5m plus £8m in add-ons.





Swiss clubs express interest in Schmidt deal

Isaac Schmidt's tenure at Leeds United appears to be drawing to a close, with the defender poised to leave Elland Road this summer after falling out of favour with manager Daniel Farke. According to Swiss journalist Andre Oechsner, two of Switzerland's top clubs are ready to offer Schmidt an escape route back to his homeland. FC Basel and Young Boys have both expressed interest in signing the 26yo centre-back during the current transfer window. However, any potential move remains contingent on several factors being resolved before a deal can be finalised.

Schmidt arrived at Leeds in 2024 from St. Gallen in a deal worth approximately £3 million, but his time at the club has been disrupted by a loan spell at Bundesliga side Werder Bremen during the 2025/26 campaign. Unfortunately for Schmidt, his temporary stint in Germany proved disappointing, with the defender managing just six league starts for Werder Bremen, a tally that proved insufficient to convince the German club to activate their permanent buyout clause.

With his immediate return to Yorkshire, Schmidt now finds himself in an awkward position, with no place in Farke's plans and seemingly little future at the club. The interest from Basel and Young Boys presents a clean exit route, though supporters will be hoping the club can at least recoup a significant portion of their initial £3 million investment.





Charles capture could force Tanaka or Longstaff exit

Leeds United's potential pursuit of Shea Charles from Southampton presents Daniel Farke with a midfield dilemma that could spell the end of either Ao Tanaka or Sean Longstaff. Leeds are not going to spend the best part of £30 million on a player they cannot guarantee regular starting minutes. With Ethan Ampadu and Anton Stach forming the bedrock of Farke's preferred midfield core, spaces in the middle of the park are limited. Farke needs Aaronson, or at-least a player like him that can cover every blade of grass and can run for 90 minutes, which then leaves Gruev, Longstaff and Tanaka fighting for scraps. To my way of thinking, Gruev isn't going anywhere. He isn't going to fetch a worthwhile fee to make it worth Leeds while to sell him. Whilst the Bulgarian International won't ever be the first name on the team sheet, he offers tactical nouse, maturity, reliability, and Farke trusts him.

For Tanaka, things are very different. The £3.3m bargain from Fortuna Düsseldorf captured the Elland Road faithful's hearts early, scoring crucial goals against Chelsea and Liverpool to become the first Asian goalscorer for Leeds United in the Premier League. However, transitioning to the top flight has not been easy. A rough away performance at Brentford saw him temporarily frozen out of the starting lineup, restricting him to just 14 Premier League starts. The turning point came when Stach's injury opened a door he fought desperately to walk through, starting all of Leeds' final consecutive league matches. Yet the tactical pecking order remains clear, Farke has heavily favoured the Ampadu-Stach-Aaronson trio, leaving the Japanese international on the bench for massive chunks of the campaign.

Sky Germany's Florian Plentenberger recently revealed that Tanaka is open to a move, with clubs like Freiburg tracking his developments. While the player prefers to stay in the Premier League, Leeds United's hierarchy is not actively pushing him out, but the club is open to an eight-figure exit around £15 million to bank a significant profit on their initial bargain investment.

Longstaff, meanwhile, has proven his reliability from the bench repeatedly despite his limited minutes. Despite an eight-week injury layoff mid-season, his impact per minute was highly efficient: 23 Premier League matches, 1,009 minutes, 84% passing accuracy, two goals, and two assists. His Bournemouth equaliser in the 97th minute secured a priceless point in Leeds' survival bid, while his FA Cup heroics against Norwich sent the club to the quarter-finals. When Farke needed to close out games, Longstaff's box-to-box work rate and defensive stability offered far more security than Tanaka's occasionally erratic displays.

The writing appears on the wall. If Charles arrives, the midfield mathematics simply do not add up for Tanaka or Longstaff to remain. With £15 million potentially sitting on the table for Tanaka, a pure profit on a £3 million investment, and Longstaff's veteran experience making him an attractive option for Premier League rivals, Farke may be forced to make a call that shapes Leeds' trajectory for seasons to come.




Ao Tanaka, Ilia Gruev, Sean Longstaff, Isaac Schmidt, Shea Charles, Southampton
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It's getting embarrassing how obsessed we are with Charles, he really isn't all that. I'll be honest, I haven't heard his name pop up much if he's so good.

Completely forgot Schmidt existed tbh. We need to sell these players still clogging up the wage bill.
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Something utterly bonkers in the Club chasing Shea Charles and wanting to throw at least £23m at Southampton and yet seemingly willing to accept a figure of £15m for Tanaka. Neverton get Hackney for £16m (plus possible add ons) from Boro and Blyton get Pascall Struyjk for £18m (plus possible add ons) and flog Van Hecke to Spares for £52m.

Blyton certainly know their onions!

Sell low and buy high always seems to be the Leeds United way. Allow Saints to have your pants down and all other Clubs will be doing the same. Can't wait for the Spainiards and Italians to come calling pleading poverty :evil: :rant: :evil: :rant:
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With the new SCR rules, to sell Longstaff, we'd have to make a profit on his remaining book value, which I guess is over £10m. I can't see anyone spending that, so it's pointless selling an experienced PL player on the cheap.

The best potential for a big profit would be DCL, Nmecha, Tanaka, Gnonto, Bogle, James and Aaronson.
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Need to move on from Charles asap

I ama little concerned over Tanaka's future. The way he gave the ball away against Brazil was just what we saw in the Premier League on a few occasions last season, exactly why Farke gets frustrated with him.
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Harry Gray is too good for the wendies. He either needs top of League One or lower Championship.
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Its time to walk away, asking price for this bench warmer is way to high.
Better value out there for the money.
Amazing how transfer values are all over the place, we sell Pascal for 20 million and now we consider re-investing the money plus more in an unproven midfielder at premiership level.... What are they thinking at recruitment, one for the future maybe? Well time is ticking before the start of the new season and we need players that can hit the ground running
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If we're going to spend £30m on anyone, it should be either Esteve or a top playmaker
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SG90 wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:21 am Harry Gray is too good for the wendies. He either needs top of League One or lower Championship.
You're over rating Gray at the moment, and who knows the Wendies might be good this season or good enough. Especially if Gray is the player you think he is. It's a big club, if they string results together they'll get biggish crowds
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All I can say is that our recruitment team or Farke must see something in Charles that we haven't yet if they are prepared to go above and beyond £25m to secure his services. Think it was mentioned that previous Championship player of the season's Hackney & Jimmy went for less and while that is not the be all and end all conclusion, it's a pretty good marker. I do remember him being highly thought of and talked about in his Sheff Wed loan days then he returns to the spies and has a great second half of the season after some injury. Just can't help thinking they are unrealistically pricing him out of a move at this stage which could well end up backfiring with them needing funds quickly.

Getting a few million for Schmidt would be welcome.
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:42 am You're over rating Gray at the moment, and who knows the Wendies might be good this season or good enough. Especially if Gray is the player you think he is. It's a big club, if they string results together they'll get biggish crowds
I think it's a good move. Big club, big crowds, not too far, expecting to challenge for promotion and I expect he'll get plenty of games. Also we can keep a good eye on him as they will be on TV quite a bit.
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wilsdenwhite wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:42 am All I can say is that our recruitment team or Farke must see something in Charles that we haven't yet if they are prepared to go above and beyond £25m to secure his services. Think it was mentioned that previous Championship player of the season's Hackney & Jimmy went for less and while that is not the be all and end all conclusion, it's a pretty good marker. I do remember him being highly thought of and talked about in his Sheff Wed loan days then he returns to the spies and has a great second half of the season after some injury. Just can't help thinking they are unrealistically pricing him out of a move at this stage which could well end up backfiring with them needing funds quickly.

Getting a few million for Schmidt would be welcome.
Not sure what our recruitment team see but I definitely see a very good player from what I've seen. But I'd play a waiting game, if someone pays 35 fair play to them. What they'll be getting is an accomplished centre mid who's only 22. My comp for him is Elliot Anderson.. He has all the tools you want from this type of player.
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wilsdenwhite wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:45 am I think it's a good move. Big club, big crowds, not too far, expecting to challenge for promotion and I expect he'll get plenty of games. Also we can keep a good eye on him as they will be on TV quite a bit.
I agree, and he stays in Yorkshire which will help. We don't wan't to be loaning him to a southern club in the championship.
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Having watched Charles for Northern Ireland he’s a £15m/18m tops player but he’s young with a bag of potential, imho thats not worth the risk or the stupid money Southampton are quoting so time to walk away.

Same as SG I’d forgotten Schmidt was still on the books, get shot asap.
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When did Schmidt become a centre back as his primary role?
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SG90 wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:21 am Harry Gray is too good for the wendies. He either needs top of League One or lower Championship.
Wednesday will be top League One next season, certainly up there anyway.
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Walk away move on,better players out there cheaper as well. We can't afford to get involved in a long chase for him ain't worth it .
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If the club are doing this long drawn out transfer of one player strategy again just to show they are willing to spend money without spending any then they need to pick a more exciting target next time - most don’t care whether we sign this kid or not.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:42 am Wednesday will be top League One next season, certainly up there anyway.
I'm not sure tbh. They only gained 18 points last season, they'll need to improve tenfolds.
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It only makes SCR sense to sell Tanaka but the Shea guy: forget it!!! It makes absoluterly no sense at all to buy him! Schmidt: why the heck did we buy him? We have just wasted a year or 2 of his career/ Pretty much the same with Tanaka/Gnonto! We have to stop doing this to people: it's also disrespectful and I hate it. I know it's hard to fit everybody in but if you aren't going to use them: don't buy them maybe?

I personally think Longstaff is worth playing/keeping. I'd rather Tanaka go. I think Ramazani/Gnonto should be kept at least as impact subs/cover. Won't be popular but Aaronson can go for me and maybe Tanaka should go elsewhere for his careers sake. We'll maybe have to sell Gnonto for the same reason because he needs to play regularly and it doesn't seem like Farke rates him. Weird as he played for Italy at 17!!! Have we wasted his talent?.

I'll be honest: I don't know what the board are planning regarding next seasons squad. We always seem to land ourselves in this position where we have borderline/average players where we need better! What would Bielsa do with this squad? Maybe we should get him back :mshr: ;-) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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