Birmingham City v Leeds United Match Thread

[CUSSIE01]

They never get a chance to get match fit, and gain confidence Cussie.

I think if Rodon, Bogle and co were only given ten minutes every month they'd lose form and confidence too.

We were playing a mid table Championship team James and DF gave them a chance and apart from Perri they blew it. Going on Buonanotte/Gnonto/Piroe or Longstaff’s performances today which recent game would you have trusted them coming on with 1/2 hr left ? Every single game we play and bring those players on they ( and Farke ) get shredded on here, we can’t have it both ways.

[The Subhuman]

Hearing news that the police in Birmingham are looking for 16 men who stole a football game

[The Subhuman]

Need Wigan to do us a favour later

[Cjay]

They never get a chance to get match fit, and gain confidence Cussie.

I think if Rodon, Bogle and co were only given ten minutes every month they'd lose form and confidence too.

The same argument was used in the Championship when Bamford and Gnonto were getting pitty minutes.

Not good enough for more.

Then they got more and did well.

As you say players can't be match sharp playing an hour of football in 6 months or whatever it is.

Hence why Bielsa used to let them play u23 football.

[The Subhuman]

We were playing a mid table Championship team James and DF gave them a chance and apart from Perri they blew it. Going on Buonanotte/Gnonto/Piroe or Longstaff’s performances today which recent game would you have trusted them coming on with 1/2 hr left ? Every single game we play and bring those players on they ( and Farke ) get shredded on here, we can’t have it both ways.

Gnonto. I'd have been happy starting him in all of them. I know he's class. Buonanotte probably needs to be allowed back to Brighton, Chambers would be better atm.

[1964white]

It is but conisder how little he has played it was for me at least partly forgiveable that his body let him down with some passes. By contrast see how many Birmingham players were cramping up and likely they had been playing more regularly.

I think Longstaff has his part to play this season. Seems he is though the forum whipping boy now that Gruev had his good game and Okafor has scored a couple of goals.

Not a whipping boy for me!

Indeed Longstaff has a part to play, I'm just highlighting how frustrating he was today. So pleased he struck his penalty sweetly.

[Cjay]

It is but conisder how little he has played it was for me at least partly forgiveable that his body let him down with some passes. By contrast see how many Birmingham players were cramping up and likely they had been playing more regularly.

I think Longstaff has his part to play this season. Seems he is though the forum whipping boy now that Gruev had his good game and Okafor has scored a couple of goals.

Not a whipping boy just doesn't really standout in any way.

Wins the ball back, can maybe play a simple pass.

He's a £15mil Forshaw.

[1964white]

We were playing a mid table Championship team James and DF gave them a chance and apart from Perri they blew it. Going on Buonanotte/Gnonto/Piroe or Longstaff’s performances today which recent game would you have trusted them coming on with 1/2 hr left ? Every single game we play and bring those players on they ( and Farke ) get shredded on here, we can’t have it both ways.

Spot on, they were brought down to Birmingham's level.

Caught in possession.
Slack passes.
No anticipation
Lack of pace.
Choosing the wrong options.

[1964white]

Gnonto. I'd have been happy starting him in all of them. I know he's class. Buonanotte probably needs to be allowed back to Brighton, Chambers would be better atm.

I disagree with you about Gnonto, respect your opinion though.

Buonanotte will struggle to get games at Leeds, he has previously at Brighton & Chelsea.

Chambers is not ready, I suspect.

[White Riot]

We were playing a mid table Championship team James and DF gave them a chance and apart from Perri they blew it. Going on Buonanotte/Gnonto/Piroe or Longstaff’s performances today which recent game would you have trusted them coming on with 1/2 hr left ? Every single game we play and bring those players on they ( and Farke ) get shredded on here, we can’t have it both ways.

Longstaff I wouldn't have bought in the first place Cussie, never rated him and Newcastle had our pants down with that price. He's a very limited player.

Buonanotte seems like he was brought in against Farke's wishes, similar to Spence, Anthony, Roberts, etc, and Farke has continually stated he doesn't like loans. Which removes an avenue for squad improvement. Rodon proved that loans can be successful.

Piroe for me proved his worth last season, but Farke seems to have had a downer on him since we signed him. So, I again wonder if Piroe was signed as a third or forth choice on Farke's wish lit.

Joel can finish, same as Nmecha, both are no good at physical duels, but Joel has vision and can bring others into play. So, I'd play Piroe ahead of Nmecha every day if the week.

Gnonto, like Tanaka, I feel have the quality to make an impact at this level, and both have proven that. But, Tanaka's form significantly improved last season when he was given a run.

Farke was prepared to gamble and start with a void of a midfield against Chelsea, who had Palmer allowed the freedom of Stamford Bridge in the first half.

So, if he's prepared to take a risk like that, for which we should have been severely punished, then why not give these guys more of a chance?

There have been lots of matches this season where if we'd pushed a bit the win was there for the taking. But he's stuck with his defenders and sat back and watched us drop points late in matches.

I'm more tired than Longstaff after writing all that

[Irish Ian]

Chelsea at the Bridge in Round 5 anyone?

Plz no Chelsea or Liverpool, I dont want them to a chance of getting revenge

[1964white]

Thank god for Ampadu, he settled us down when he came on!

I posted when I saw the line-up, that I was concerned there we had no established defensive midfielder in our starting XI

We can't go into another game without Ampadu, unless it's enforced.

[Carrick Dave]

Plz no Chelsea or Liverpool, I dont want them to a chance of getting revenge

My sentiments exactly, leave our bragging rights alone.

[White Riot]

Not a whipping boy just doesn't really standout in any way.

Wins the ball back, can maybe play a simple pass.

He's a £15mil Forshaw.

100% absolute waste of money.

[White Riot]

We can't go into another game without Ampadu, unless it's enforced.

He was a big factor in turning both of these last two matches in our favour. He cleans up everything in midfield.

[1964white]

He was a big factor in turning both of these last two matches in our favour. He cleans up everything in midfield.

Ampadu is tenacious, batting for every ball, even if it's not in his favour.

He was everywhere today, offensively & defensively.

[weasel]

We can't go into another game without Ampadu, unless it's enforced.

Hopefully if it was enforced we'd have Stach and Gruev to call upon.

[Jammy 07]

Longstaff I wouldn't have bought in the first place Cussie, never rated him and Newcastle had our pants down with that price. He's a very limited player.

Buonanotte seems like he was brought in against Farke's wishes, similar to Spence, Anthony, Roberts, etc, and Farke has continually stated he doesn't like loans. Which removes an avenue for squad improvement. Rodon proved that loans can be successful.

Piroe for me proved his worth last season, but Farke seems to have had a downer on him since we signed him. So, I again wonder if Piroe was signed as a third or forth choice on Farke's wish lit.

Joel can finish, same as Nmecha, both are no good at physical duels, but Joel has vision and can bring others into play. So, I'd play Piroe ahead of Nmecha every day if the week.

Gnonto, like Tanaka, I feel have the quality to make an impact at this level, and both have proven that. But, Tanaka's form significantly improved last season when he was given a run.

Farke was prepared to gamble and start with a void of a midfield against Chelsea, who had Palmer allowed the freedom of Stamford Bridge in the first half.

So, if he's prepared to take a risk like that, for which we should have been severely punished, then why not give these guys more of a chance?

There have been lots of matches this season where if we'd pushed a bit the win was there for the taking. But he's stuck with his defenders and sat back and watched us drop points late in matches.

I'm more tired than Longstaff after writing all that

Take away Nmecha’s vital goal contributions this season and we’d likely be in the bottom 3.

Replacing him with Piroe would therefore be one hell of a gamble.

Also pretty sure Nmecha’s goal per minutes played is second only to Harland in the PL.

[White Riot]

Take away Nmecha’s vital goal contributions this season and we’d likely be in the bottom 3.

Replacing him with Piroe would therefore be one hell of a gamble.

Also pretty sure Nmecha’s goal per minutes played is second only to Harland in the PL.

Yeah, he's done well and took his chances.

With Piroe, we'll never know, cos he hasn't been given a chance. I still feel he offers more than Nmecha.

[BillyBremner]

When is the draw for next round