Cjay wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 10:18 pm
He's a great unknown and will be careful what I say as I'll just get accused of Farke bashing again.
But I didn't bring him up.
Probably more a conversation for if we are promoted rather than now.
End of the day though no manager breaks records like Farke did in the Premier League if they aren't massively at fault.
He is the answer to the pub question "which manager has the most losses in a row in Premier League history". Farke is the answer at 16, only 1 other manager even made double figures.
He also has the lowest points per game in Premier League history of managers with 25+ games.
No amount of excuses can excuse breaking both those records and I'd imagine many on that list can complain about not being backed how they'd like.
Totally at fault? Absolutely not, but far far from blameless and not to mention he failed his 2nd chance in a top league at Mönchengladbach as well.
Can only hope he isn't so arrogant as Jesse Marsch seems to be and has learned a lot of lessons from what he did wrong.
If he has then hopefully if promoted we can progress together.
If he hasn't he won't last long should we be promoted next season.
The trouble, as per usual, is that stats can be entirely misleading. If we take the first one and him being the only managert with 16 losses in a row then it actually says something about the Norwich board's confidence in him that he was allowed to continue. Most managers would have been sacked well before reaching double figures which is why no one else has the record. Because they allowed him to carry on so long it meant he gets the record whereas if they'd have sacked him after say 8 defeats he wouldn't have got the record. It is like Marsch being able to trot stuff out about how he would have kept us up if he'd not been sacked whereas if we'd kept him longer it is more likely he'd have been terrible and we would have done even worse.
The 16 losses also spanned two seasons, so there was the terrible end of season when he got relegated with 10 successive losses and then 6 at the start of the 2021-22 season. A lot of managers would have been sacked during the 2019-2020 season and replaced by the Sam Allardyce type figure so they would have been denied a chance to break the record. Or they would have been sacked the following season after failing to get the team into promotion contention. The fact that Farke got them promoted as champions stopped him getting sacked and meant he could set the record, In the 6 games they did also play Arsenal, City and LIverpool. They then got 2 draws and a win in their next 5 matches which would suggest they were beginning to improve, Farke was actually sacked after the win. Later on that season they had two 5 match losing sequences and a 6 match losing sequence so it was hardly like the new manager did much better. Simply a case of a very bad team where the owenrs sold Buendia at the start of the season and didn't strengthen particularly.
Sunderland hold the record of premier league losses in a row with 20 but of course didn't have the same manager for all 20 matches.
The second point, lowest points total, again stems form the fact that he wasn't sacked. So many managers would have been sacked before the
25 game mark, again selective stats used, whereas Norwich in backing him make his record worse as he was able to go past the famous 25 match mark. By using selective stats a manager could lose 24 out of 24 matches but be seen as a better manager simply because he failed to manage in 25 matches.
