You asked me to point out somethings, and this is just 1 post.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:04 pm Impossible to say whether Farke should be sacked should we not be promoted without knowing the options available.
But absolutely no chance this was some sort of "project" 2,3 years for promotion.
That's PR spin.
His job was promotion this season (which still may happen).
No chance the 49ers looked at those accounts and thought "yeah we can wait a few years".
They need a Premier League club now to start plans to make a profit for the investors.
Thus isn't some consolidation rebuild season for next season or the season after.
They assumed Farke would be a sure thing appointment.
Southampton and Leicester went for "project" appointments.
We went for the supposed expert.
You 100% categorically know this as fact do you ?Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:55 pm I'm sure it wasn't expressed to him in blunt terms like that MC.
Promotion or be sacked.
But every parachute payment club aims for 1st season promotion, not one will aim for consolidation because as our accounts show the financial implications of a 2nd Championship season can be awful and the potential for getting stuck down here increases.
I agree we had our issues but at the same time the owners have provided by Championship standards an elite squad (whether we as fans rate the players or not is up for debate).
But from an owners point of view they've given Farke the top right back in the league last season, the top finisher officially in the league over the last 2 seasons, a winger who got 8 goals and 7 assists for a promotion winning club a few seasons back and played regular Premier league football last season.
Italian international wingers (who they could have sold for £30mil but Kept as Farke wanted him, Dan James who we spent £25mil on, Rutter who they also could have sold to Dortmund, Rodon, Ampadu, Gruev.
At Championship level that is an absolute ton of money I bet on wages and fees.
Then people like Bamford a former Championship player of the year, Firpo a La Liga winning full back, Struijk, Cooper.
And per his request they kept people like Gelhardt and Cresswell who we could have sold to other Championship clubs but kept as Farke requested it.
These for this level from an owners point of view are phenomenally expensive and high level players.
Teams like Burnley in recent years and Fulham had nothing like this level of depth.
You can only support that level of expense and wages once.
So did the 49ers sell this as a multi season potential stay to the investors? Highly unlikely I'd think.
I'm sure they didn't guarantee promotion but I bet they expected it privately.
They need it from a business point of view.
I think he's a decent man manager DF and do think he has done good things at times.
I don't think he is the difference maker for us in the same way some managers are, Bielsa for example I think was worth 10-15 points just for his knowhow and ability.
I don't think DF has that impact.
Just want us promoted
Traumatised by the 16 years in the wilderness
THE 49ERS ARE BUST IF LUFC DON'T GO UP 
At no point have I said DF should be sacked . . . . . .Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:34 pm You asked me to point out somethings, and this is just 1 post.
1. Lie - Who said this ? You ?
2. You have absolutely no idea about this, it just suits your NARRATIVE.
3. Yet again, made up rubbish to suit your argument for sacking DF, guesswork at best, not fact.
4. You are speaking on their behalf, who gave you permission ? It's from your own head, not their mouths.
5. Yet again, these are your own guesses to suit your narrative, you have absolutely no idea what the Soton and Leicester owners wanted.
6. LUFC went for a guy with 2 promotions on his CV, nobody said he was a expert, you wanted to pluck one out of Norway dintcha, with no experience at all of the English thug league, i'd say the 49ers just did due diligence myself, imagine the beating they'd have taken if they hired some Skandi and we were in the relegation zone now, and if like you say they hired for promotion, open your eyes, we are currently going for it.
Do I know for a fact the 49ers need a Premier League club to make a profit for the investors who have invested hundreds of millions of pounds already?
Meslier was literally our number 1 and has been for years.Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:56 pm Last year :
Mes - Wasn't playing
Gray - Reserves
Rodon - Wasn't here
Struik, Cooper - Reserves
Byram - Not here
Firpo - Reserves
James - Out on loan
Summerville - Reserves
Rutter - Reserves
Joseph - Reserves
Ampadu
Kamara
Piroe
Gruev
Aye, he didn't have a job to do, and things to sort out
Like you, I've no idea, what i do know is, DF wants promotion, along with every single other team in the league.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:09 pm At no point have I said DF should be sacked . . . . . .
You think the venture capital firm ran by an accountant in charge of other people's money looked at our accounts and thought "yeah this is OK for 2 or 3 years without promotion".
Phil Hay said they went for Farke because of his promotion experience and saw him as the "safe" option
Absolutely nobody ever aims to consolidate in a 1st Championship season.
Look at the accounts of all relegated teams, seeing those you think any owner would specifically say its OK if you don't get promotion this season?
Yeah I'd have preferred Knutsen and a whole list of other coaches over Farke, I don't buy the Championship experience narrative.
The 2 teams above us have fook all Championship experience between them.
Neither did the man who won the league last season, or the season before that.
So do i, are they idiots that invested demanding an instant return or they'll lose ALL and commit suicide, do i know for a fact they won't do that ?
And ?Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:18 pm Meslier was literally our number 1 and has been for years.
Gray is clearly a generational talent who Bielsa had training with the 1st team since he was a literal child.
Rodon EARNED a £20mil move after his performances in this very league.
Struijk has been lauded on here and has been a regular for years.
Firpo is a £12mil full back with 4 years playing for Barcelona.
James earned a £25mil move after his performances in this league.
Summerville got 5 goals and 6 assists last season and was certainly not a reserve.
Rutter cost us £30mil and was wanted by Dortmund in the summer.
Conor Roberts was the right back in last seasons Championship team of the year.
Piroe is the top open play goalscorer in the Championship for 2 seasons running.
Anthony was a promotion winning winger a few years ago and a Premier League regular last season.
Charlie Cresswell could have been sold to our rivals in this league including Boro, so good enough for them.
Gnonto is a £30mil player officially (according to ourselves).
If you think this isn't for this level a very strong squad then you need to have a look at some of the dross some teams have got promoted with recently.
Even the players who never get a kick for us like Gelhardt, Cresswell, or people he got rid of like Ayling and Greenwood are good enough for our rivals.
Perfect squad? No
But an embarrassment of riches at this level.
Then i'll just ask you plain and simple now,
The trouble with that is that it is viewing every player at their best and that is something that we rarely saw from them,Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:18 pm Meslier was literally our number 1 and has been for years.
Gray is clearly a generational talent who Bielsa had training with the 1st team since he was a literal child.
Rodon EARNED a £20mil move after his performances in this very league.
Struijk has been lauded on here and has been a regular for years.
Firpo is a £12mil full back with 4 years playing for Barcelona.
James earned a £25mil move after his performances in this league.
Summerville got 5 goals and 6 assists last season and was certainly not a reserve.
Rutter cost us £30mil and was wanted by Dortmund in the summer.
Conor Roberts was the right back in last seasons Championship team of the year.
Piroe is the top open play goalscorer in the Championship for 2 seasons running.
Anthony was a promotion winning winger a few years ago and a Premier League regular last season.
Charlie Cresswell could have been sold to our rivals in this league including Boro, so good enough for them.
Gnonto is a £30mil player officially (according to ourselves).
If you think this isn't for this level a very strong squad then you need to have a look at some of the dross some teams have got promoted with recently.
Even the players who never get a kick for us like Gelhardt, Cresswell, or people he got rid of like Ayling and Greenwood are good enough for our rivals.
Perfect squad? No
But an embarrassment of riches at this level.
Interestingly Farke's side will need to take 7 points from the last 3 matches to better Bielsa's promotion haul. The goal difference at present is the same, plus 42, as Bielsa's side finished on with Bielsa's team scoring 77 and conceding 35, compared to Farke's side at present having scored 76 and conceded 34.mentalcase wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:13 pm For all the clamouring over bielsa, Farke has the better record, go figure.
Oh, I know, lets pretend he inherited a vastly under performing bunch of misfits whilst Farke inherited PL players only
Knock DF all you like, I personally think we'd be pretty stupid to get shut if we don't get promoted this season, he has the respect of the players, no idea how many players will want to leave whether we go up or not but that happens with every team.
If the aim isn't promotion this season and by definition failure to achieve it means DF failed in his primary objective then the club must be happy to consolidate? That's the implication.Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:12 am Like you, I've no idea, what i do know is, DF wants promotion, along with every single other team in the league.
When did i or anyone from the club say they want to consolidate,
Well you didn't get him thank God.
What's that gotta do with the price of eggs ?
Again, price of eggs ?
You made a post implying he had a poor squad or nothing special.
Can't answer that until we see . .
But every team has to "cobble together" at this level.weasel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:14 am The trouble with that is that it is viewing every player at their best and that is something that we rarely saw from them,
Messlier, our number 1 due mainly to lack of competition, who's confidence was so shot that he was replaced by Robles who instantly looked an improvement. many fans saw Darlow coming in as a replacement for Messlier and most fans would have taken £5m if a club offered it for Messlier. For me I would still say he is full of potential but far from the finished article, even in this division.
Gray, like you say a great talent but totally unporven, especially at right back, and has been learning on the job and has been rinsed a few times such as by Clarke and the guy at Preston.
Rodon, yes got a big money move to Spurs but then deemed not good enough by them and farmed out on loan to France. A great spot by Farke who restored his confidence.
Struyjk has been in and out of the side but mainly has been in when others, mainly Cooper, have been injured. Another with a lot of potential, probably further along than Messlier, but still a work in progress.
Ampadu a player who has been farmed out by Chelsea to three lower end top flight teams who have all got relegated. Hardly the first name on any fan's wishlist this summer but a good spot by Farke who has allowed him to blossom. In my opinion a better DM than Tyler Adams and at a fraction of the cost.
Firpo and this is the classic case of viewing him at the top end of what he has done in his career. For the majority of his time at Leeds he has looked absolutely nothing like a 'Barcelona' player. That a freebie rightback was preferred to him earlier in the season says it all. Farke though has done exceptionally well to make the most of his best attributes. If a club would have offered us a couple of million then likely most fans would have taken it. Likely that he had a loan clause in his contract but it is telling that no club wanted him. Farke has restored his confidence and got him playing well.
Byram - a free signing who Farke has managed pretty well to get the best out of him. Again he could be looked at through rose tinted glasses as a former championship team of the year player and a proven premier league player but the reality is that Farke basically picked him up from the floor when not many other teams probably even looked at him.
and so it goes on. Farke has cobbled together a team based on what he had left. Restoring confidence, giving others a license to shine and work out their game and playing in a way that suits most, not all, of them.
Yes we have a squad that is the envy of others in this division. Nowhere near as settled as Leicester or Southampton's though and not the well oiled machine that Ipswich were. It has been the cobbling together and making the best out of the players, getting a team unity and playing a way of football that generally allows us to control games. Not the free flowing Bielsa style but a style that limits danger but also at time limits our attacking prowess whilst still making it so we dominate the amount of chances created.
I made the point earlier that we could lose a few of our 'star' players but have a side more suited to how Farke wants to play and more 'fit for purpose' in terms of getting out of the division. A side that wasn't made up of round and square pieces being fitted into triangular holes. Losing star players might see us bringing in players that suit Piroe more, that passto him more often and give him better passes. I'm sure that if this side had a Pablo Hernandez in it that Piroe would have thrived as Pablo would have been able to play Piroe the type of passes that he would thrive on instead of him getting balls played into him often seemingly as a last resort.
Agree with those points generally.Cjay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:15 am Can't answer that until we see . .
1) how this season finishes, a damp squib or a close fought thing.
2) How we perform in those games.
3) What sort of options we may have as a replacement.
Someone said on another forum something I kinda agree with though.
Given the options available (assuming we continue with our narrow shortlist of Championship or English football experience) then I'd rather keep Farke in the Championship should that happen rather than have him in the Premier League if promoted.
If we widened our gaze that's a different matter but if not the above paragraph sums it up.
mmmm not sure now.
