Jesse Marsch

[Kennyb41]

Absolute madness if he was then deemed fit enough to start the second half. The logic would have been to start him, ask him at half time how he is feeling and then take it from there. It was just complete lunacy to drop him if he was deemed fit to play a full half. You can't even judge pre-match how physical the match might be, he might have had one of those games where you don't have to actually do loads of running (i.e. we keep possesion well, keep our shape etc).

Exactly, absolute crazy rotation thinking, Firpo already had us all holding our breath and behind the couch when announced he would be playing, why complicate matters, not only that, the team played excellently v Arsenal from the start, you just keep the same starting 11 minus PS, PB didn't even have to start because he made such a tremendous impact coming on 2nd half v Arsenal and Rodrigo was also doing just fine with the interaction with the 3 behind him.

Go with the same team ffs, we needed these 6pts from Leicester and Fulham, points are hard to come by don't make it even harder !!

If we go in at half time 0-0 or winning 0-1 v Leicester talk to your fcking players, get the game in the bag ffs first then start adjusting and resting, " liam how you feeling ?.... give you another 15/20 mins 2nd half and bring you off ? "......" Yeah gaffer sounds about right"

SAme with the majority of the rest, especially the players that put the kilometers in, it's just common sense stuff.

[BlackHillsPaul]

Ideally, Marsch will be drinking in the Last Chance Saloon on Sunday, but I have no confidence whatsoever that the string pullers will hold any notion of taking that kind of decision - particularly as the owner is clinging sweetly to the 49'ers coat tails in order to stop them from rescinding their option to buy the club and thereby negating a potentially profitable exit. All the other potential suitors that were once allegedly queuing up to buy LUFC appear to be either in hiding or familiarising themselves with the Geordie accent.

The truth IMO is that Radrizzani does not possess the requisite wealth to take Leeds forward. Like his rather silly and increasingly fantastical CEO, he speaks to ambition and intent, yet is as far away from his oft repeated desire to establish LUFC as a top 8 club, as he was when the words left his lips to begin their transition towards rhetoric. The wave of elation, euphoria and false expectation that we all shared on our eventual return to the top table, was rendered redundant. as we collectively grappled with a sour, deflating, miserable and, ultimately, familiar fight for survival. Initially allowed to flirt with aspiration rather than reality, we united in our belief that LUFC really were "BACK". A one city club with a singular fan base and a Chairman/Board that understood our expectation, shared our aspirations and echoed our vision of season-on-season progression and statement. Instead, despite first season optimism, the grim, often unedifying reality is that we have apparently tried to sign every top player in Europe and beyond - with a MO based around the concept of finding out the asking price and then offering half of same.

I have no predilection for the board to spend monies they do not possess, but I maintain that the current expenditure, and the calibre of incoming is sufficient only to maintain the status quo, and, as we have noted, even that limited objective is by no means a given - especially if the managerial appointment is subject to the same degree of thrift, ambition and attainment - the paucity of which is probably exacerbated and driven influentially by the owners in waiting.

Good post Jimmy! Welcome to the forum.

[Musicman1965]

Jesse Marsch is under pressure to say the least, has he been given every chance? Was the tools he needed to do the job been supplied so his vision of success could be achieved? On the both questions the answer is no.............because of this Leeds are struggling, we use make shift players to cover important positions to see if we can manage against Premiership opposition. When it goes wrong the blame is always the manager unfortunately..The responsibility in my opinion rests with the Board for not getting what was needed in the first place. Jesse is going to lose his job shortly, he speaks with passion about the club and team, defends them at all costs even when they play shite .(most games) and for what............... The manager merry-go-round starts again, the links to every available manager will soon be big news. Is it going to make any difference????? Not really............... if the board can not do their jobs the manager has no chance.

[Kennyb41]

I think it is about how someone interprets the stats and which are relevant to them.

Not only that Weasel, it's having the nous to use them correctly as Bert obviously did,

In all due respect Cjay i have this vision in my head of you scratching yours when your team has been beaten but all the stats pointed to you being correct to flood the right flank but summert backfired somehow.

By all means use stats prior to a game, but what if they're not working and you have to resort to a brain and eyes.

[BlackHillsPaul]

Good Morning MOT friends! I'm just waking up and having a coffee here in the Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota USA. It's going to be sunny and 71 degrees f today. And it seems like a good opportunity to get on my Harley and go for a ride up the canyon. See some fall colors and visit the resident Mountain Goats at Bridal Vail Falls. Then maybe head to Deadwood for lunch. It's better than being pissed off all day. Which seems to be my other alternative....LOL

I half expected to be waking up to the news that Jesse Marsch had been fired. It seems that hasn't happened yet. Anyway, I'm still pissed off about yesterday's match. It was a wholly pathetic performance by most involved. But my particular ire is reserved for the Manager. I don't like the way he set up the team with two changes in the back. I didn't like that he disrupted the attacking flow by bringing in Summerville for Harrison. And as the game went on I became more and more frustrated by the complete lack of tactical flexibility. To finish it off the substitutions were completely incoherent. All of that is on the Manager.

[Kennyb41]

Shows how little you know about modern football.

It's all research and stats and xG and tactical analysis.

Your dear Bert had a whole team of people who did all that for him and then briefed him on it.

I won't argue with you Kenneth but suffice to say I know more than you

Please don't respond with your usual nonsense.

Won't argue, you had your say (on a post totally unrelated to you) I had mine

How did your bench boost go this week in the fantasy football ?

[Kennyb41]

She's good Jimmy int she.

Doesn't post much footy atm coz she's mighty pissed off Bert left, but look at the quality when she does.

She's been spot on thus far about Jesse, his system bollocks and Bert anorl.

[Kennyb41]

Good Morning MOT friends! I'm just waking up and having a coffee here in the Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota USA. It's going to be sunny and 71 degrees f today. And it seems like a good opportunity to get on my Harley and go for a ride up the canyon. See some fall colors and visit the resident Mountain Goats at Bridal Vail Falls. Then maybe head to Deadwood for lunch. It's better than being pissed off all day. Which seems to be my other alternative....LOL

I half expected to be waking up to the news that Jesse Marsch had been fired. It seems that hasn't happened yet. Anyway, I'm still pissed off about yesterday's match. It was a wholly pathetic performance by most involved. But my particular ire is reserved for the Manager. I don't like the way he set up the team with two changes in the back. I didn't like that he disrupted the attacking flow by bringing in Summerville for Harrison. And as the game went on I became more and more frustrated by the complete lack of tactical flexibility. To finish it off the substitutions were completely incoherent. All of that is on the Manager.

Respect Paul, you say it as you see it like me.

Like i said, it's hard to believe you can find out so much about a manager in just two consecutive games, but these adjustments v Leicester spoke volumes about his mindset, they were just so so wrong in a lot of ways that it just leaves you thinking ' what the fck was going through his mind ?'

I was mega happy v Arsenal but Weasel brought me back down to earth with his assessments of our games against the good football retaining teams versus the ones that just seem to leave us befuddled when they don't play how Jesse wants them to play and he spits his dummy out (pacifier) i really had got myself into a place where i wanted Jesse to succeed, because, Leeds....but this game has really changed my mindset and i think we're gonna struggle from now on until he goes tbh.

[Kennyb41]

Good Morning MOT friends! I'm just waking up and having a coffee here in the Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota USA. It's going to be sunny and 71 degrees f today. And it seems like a good opportunity to get on my Harley and go for a ride up the canyon. See some fall colors and visit the resident Mountain Goats at Bridal Vail Falls. Then maybe head to Deadwood for lunch. It's better than being pissed off all day. Which seems to be my other alternative....LOL

I half expected to be waking up to the news that Jesse Marsch had been fired. It seems that hasn't happened yet. Anyway, I'm still pissed off about yesterday's match. It was a wholly pathetic performance by most involved. But my particular ire is reserved for the Manager. I don't like the way he set up the team with two changes in the back. I didn't like that he disrupted the attacking flow by bringing in Summerville for Harrison. And as the game went on I became more and more frustrated by the complete lack of tactical flexibility. To finish it off the substitutions were completely incoherent. All of that is on the Manager.

You see Paul, Jesse got taught a harsh lesson there last night about how tough this league can be, what with all the teams throwing up different styles, parking the bus etc etc etc (i'm not saying Leicester parked the bus at all)

He didn't give them any respect at all, you're probably learning a lot yourself and can see now why the likes of Sara and Weasel were so concerned about his appointment, i myself don't usually know jack about the incoming like i knew fck all about Bert, i usually wait till my eyes see how we're playing before i judge, i think i'm right in thinking you thought yourself Jesse and his style would do a lot better but are now seeing just how tough it is from the bottom to the top, that's why the Prem throws up so many odd results where you thought teams were banker bets only to get beat.

It's a tough league pal and why it's the best in the world.

[Cjay]

How did your bench boost go this week in the fantasy football ?

It was a yolo

Im crap at fantasy football.

Which is you then?

[BlackHillsPaul]

Respect Paul, you say it as you see it like me.

Like i said, it's hard to believe you can find out so much about a manager in just two consecutive games, but these adjustments v Leicester spoke volumes about his mindset, they were just so so wrong in a lot of ways that it just leaves you thinking ' what the fck was going through his mind ?'

I was mega happy v Arsenal but Weasel brought me back down to earth with his assessments of our games against the good football retaining teams versus the ones that just seem to leave us befuddled when they don't play how Jesse wants them to play and he spits his dummy out (pacifier) i really had got myself into a place where i wanted Jesse to succeed, because, Leeds....but this game has really changed my mindset and i think we're gonna struggle from now on until he goes tbh.

I saw Weasel's analysis on that. And he has it spot on in my view. I had been trying to work it out in my head and overlooked the simple part. In leagues where this system works it's because virtually EVERY team tries to play football from the back. Germany is an excellent example of that. So is MLS here in my country.

[Cjay]

Perhaps, any idea who may be able to tick those boxes?

Adi Hutter

Worked at Red Bull but has gone to the Bundesliga and done a good solid job for a few years including leading Eintracht frankfurt to there highest finish (5th)in 20 years.

Beat teams like Dortmund and Bayern and Arsenal whilst there.

Not perfect and his spell at Borussia Mönchengladbach didn't go brilliantly and his teams aren't perfect defensively.

But we aren't going to get the ideal person.

https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-a ... %20buildup.

[Kennyb41]

I don't know, Kenny, I suspect Bert's ruined football for me tbh. I'd just like to watch something I can halfway believe in again. Not too much to ask, is it?

You're so so right though, and he's left me with a feeling of emptiness, but not only the football, like you said in a previous post months back (probably when he was sacked) ...it was the man himself and what he brought to the community etc, his ways and his dignity and how he carried himself, his principles and how he threw himself into it, giving his all seeking perfection, and the way he went about his work...i think you once mentioned ' a simple man really'

Jeez i hope he misses the Dales and his walks, even that simple daily routine of his to the shops etc, and the one big thing that sticks in my mind - buying the cleaner was it, or possibly the cook a brand new car, and don't anyone go saying ' oh that's ok when you're on 8m a year, the man would've done it on any amount a year it's the type of guy he is, not was, is.

I think it was the cleaner.

[Cjay]

!

Are you actually serious there ???

Fulham sacked Parker, need i say more ?

Ok, Bournemouth.

Oh and for good measure, watch Villa now numpties gone.

Yeah.

Trying to change a style to much mid season is a massive risk.

Hence why a lot of managers won't take over mid season.

We need to find a manager who can make Marsch style work or have tweaked it to make it work.

Those Managers do exist, Red Bull has plenty of past employees whove done ok.

[Cjay]

I think it is about how someone interprets the stats and which are relevant to them.

Still a vital part of modern football.

Managers talk about how xG and chances created and what not.

Or how such and such attacks down the left 35% of the time etc to then work on a way to funnel teams down the right away from there main attack position.

It's why Harrison often found plenty of room whilst Raph was double marked etc.

Know many old fashioned fans don't like stats and analysis but it 100% is the modern way.

[Chilli D]

Welcome Jimmy.

What a post, would you like to respond to that Sara, Weasel ?

It's way out of my depth, i'll comment on the first bit though...We need to get stuffed by Fulham at home, but don't sack him yet, that's unfair on the incoming (be like going over the top) v Liverpool next game, get a good hiding from Liverpool, then ring Argentina if not already been done after Fulham, or better still, today.

Your rose tinted glasses have got all steamed up Kenny.
We conceded 20 goals in Bielsa's last 6 games in charge and only 5 scored.
We were heading back to the Championship with those figures and you can say what you want about how good his first three seasons were, they were but the team had completely lost the plot by the time he was sacked.
It was sad when he went but inevitable I'm afraid.

[The Subhuman]

I saw Weasel's analysis on that. And he has it spot on in my view. I had been trying to work it out in my head and overlooked the simple part. In leagues where this system works it's because virtually EVERY team tries to play football from the back. Germany is an excellent example of that. So is MLS here in my country.

Nothing wrong playing out from the back, but you need width and movement. Condense the pitch and it becomes too easy for midfielders and defenders to adjust and intercept. Spread the playing area, worry teams with pace on the width and you double the available space and defenders have to commit to a marking job or run much earlier freeing up other targets...

[weasel]

Jesse Marsch is under pressure to say the least, has he been given every chance? Was the tools he needed to do the job been supplied so his vision of success could be achieved? On the both questions the answer is no.............because of this Leeds are struggling, we use make shift players to cover important positions to see if we can manage against Premiership opposition. When it goes wrong the blame is always the manager unfortunately..The responsibility in my opinion rests with the Board for not getting what was needed in the first place. Jesse is going to lose his job shortly, he speaks with passion about the club and team, defends them at all costs even when they play shite .(most games) and for what............... The manager merry-go-round starts again, the links to every available manager will soon be big news. Is it going to make any difference????? Not really............... if the board can not do their jobs the manager has no chance.

The club bought Aaronsen, Adams and RK who all knew his system. The club also brought in Sinisterra who looks a very good signing as well as Roca. You can't just buy him a whole new team. It is hardly like the team demanded something unreasonable like top 6. The stated ambition was very modest but even those targets have failed to be met. A lot has been made of the fact we didn't sign another striker yet our no.9s have scored 4 from 10 matches. Over a course of a season that is 15 to 16 goals. Bamford got 17, I think, in our first season in the premier league and that was considered to be a huge success. So the fact we haven't signed another number 9 hasn't really made any difference to how we did in our first season. A lot has also been made of the fact we haven't signed another leftback yet most have Struyjk as one of our best players this season. It is easy to make excuses but harder to use those excuses as justification of how poorly we have done. One point worse off than after 10 games last season is a grim statistic. Also for those spouting about us being better defensively we have only conceded 2 goals less than in our opening 10 matches last season.

[Leeds1000]

He looked lost towards the end of the game did Jess. Not a good look when i start to feel sorry for him. He needs a spark to light the bonfire or he will follow Guy Faulks on it. We don't have anyone like Raph who could pull a rabbit out. Its all too mechanical with not enough gears.

[Kennyb41]

Yeah.

Trying to change a style to much mid season is a massive risk.

Hence why a lot of managers won't take over mid season.

We need to find a manager who can make Marsch style work or have tweaked it to make it work.

Those Managers do exist, Red Bull has plenty of past employees whove done ok.

Utter rubbish, no we don't at all, we've still got a lot of Bert players, but forget that, any manager worth his salt should be able to get 11 players out of 28 players playing the way he wants them to play, or near enough damn it until he can add some of his own preferred players, admittedly it might take a bit, but big Sams done it enough, along with a good few others.

And ffs don't ask for this dick style again, i don't want us to find anyone that tries to use his dick again.

We don't need to find a manager that can make Marsch style work, coz NEWSFLASH! it doesn't work in the Prem.