Daniel Farke - Press Conference prior West Ham.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Think we get carried away with how good we think we should be.

We really aren't bar some individuals who pull us through. Been out thought on a few occasions , not difficult it appears. Let see if he can overcome the issues, I personally doubt it on the evidence.

[The Subhuman]

Established or not doesn't change the fact 7 of there most used 11 players last season all left.

They didn't make a single new signing who hadn't been a loan till the 20th of July and the other signings all on deadline day.

Plenty of managers over 30+ years can have complaints they didn't get the ideal squad or backing.

But Farke was still comfortably the worst ever.

Being established makes a hell of a difference, especially last 5/6 years. They can complain but that's usually bad workmen blaming their tools..

You have no facts here neither have I only gut instinct, Marsch couldn't even coach players and keep them fit to play. Farke is a good coach, suspect manager...

[Cjay]

Being established makes a hell of a difference, especially last 5/6 years. They can complain but that's usually bad workmen blaming their tools..

You have no facts here neither have I only gut instinct, Marsch couldn't even coach players and keep them fit to play. Farke is a good coach, suspect manager...

Isn't that the excuse being used for Farke now?

1 injury changed his Promotion winning team to relegation level.

[Overman]

Think we get carried away with how good we think we should be.

We really aren't bar some individuals who pull us through. Been out thought on a few occasions , not difficult it appears. Let see if he can overcome the issues, I personally doubt it on the evidence.

You're correct barring a few individuals the rest are bog standard. Our subs just makes us worse, but a number of the first team also need to rest. It's a tricky situation at present, Farke needs to show his mettle.

[Sean_Nile]

Ah so you mean 2 different seasons. Ok.
I hear what your saying and stats back you up but if I had to choose it would be Farke purely because I quite like him
But seriously don’t sack Farke now ffs.

Statistics are like Young girl in a bikini
Often revealing
But covering up the essentials.

[Jaydog]

Statistics are like Young girl in a bikini
Often revealing
But covering up the essentials.

I’m not sure they even do that anymore.
So I’ve been told.

[Sean_Nile]

Why you out to destroy DF Cjay before he's been given a fair crack of the whip, what you sulking about ?

Perhaps he is just repeating the hatchet job he did on Bielsa
using the same old arguments and statistics.

It is a strange thing that defeats generate more controversy that victories
and there is a grim satisfaction to be had if all your predictions come true.

You then become so insightful and perceptive,even gloating when things go
from bad to worse... you become a prophet, or maybe even a king.

You have heard the saying weep with those that weep and rejoice with those that rejoice,
well what I find is there is a strange lack of empathy towards Daniel Farke, it almost seems
that even when he wins manager of the month, his mere success is an affront to those who
condemn him. He has no right to succeed, to do so ruins all the analysis.

He is not allowed even the smallest victory because that causes confusion
and consternation, because the carefully planned hatchet job for a moment
is derailed, and the never ending search for kudos, is only renewed with more
unctuous vigour the next time Farke puts a foot wrong.

And all the pontificating is not done for the good of the club or the players
but in some weird way for self gratification.

[Kennyb41]

Sounds about right.

[Cjay]

Perhaps he is just repeating the hatchet job he did on Bielsa
using the same old arguments and statistics.

It is a strange thing that defeats generate more controversy that victories
and there is a grim satisfaction to be had if all your predictions come true.

You then become so insightful and perceptive,even gloating when things go
from bad to worse... you become a prophet, or maybe even a king.

You have heard the saying weep with those that weep and rejoice with those that rejoice,
well what I find is there is a strange lack of empathy towards Daniel Farke, it almost seems
that even when he wins manager of the month, his mere success is an affront to those who
condemn him. He has no right to succeed, to do so ruins all the analysis.

He is not allowed even the smallest victory because that causes confusion
and consternation, because the carefully planned hatchet job for a moment
is derailed, and the never ending search for kudos, is only renewed with more
unctuous vigour the next time Farke puts a foot wrong.

And all the pontificating is not done for the good of the club or the players
but in some weird way for self gratification.

What a load of bollocks

Expected better from you Rab. . .

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[Sean_Nile]

The use of the gif of Colonel Jessup is a rather unfortunate choice because it
shows a man in a position of authority completely loosing it when confronted
about the consequences of a code red that he has issued.

In the film "A Few Good Men," the term "Code Red" refers to an unauthorized, covert disciplinary action taken by members of a military unit against one of their own. In the movie, Private Santiago, a young Marine, suffers from severe harassment and perishes in a "Code Red" incident. It is a form of hazing and bullying with no just cause.

Could it be that the merciless hounding of Bielsa by many of the fans was Leeds own "Code Red"
and now another insidious attack using the same tactics, namely besmirching his passed records
his stubbornness, lack of flexibility, is now being levelled at Farke.

We have seen it all unfold before,where a man of honour and principles is besmirched, and the very things that should elevate a human are turned on their head and made to be seen as negative. Santiago is punish for being human and vunerable... not the right soldiering material... or in the case of a Leeds Code red not the right manager material, with many justifications.

Honor, devotion, and the moral duty are the themes of the film, and Jessup feels justified
that his orders and actions have resulted in the death of a young man, that somehow the greater good has been served.

Get rid of Bielsa and Farke it is for the greater good... like Private Santigo they just don't fit.

[Kennyb41]

You can guarantee you've hit a nerve when he resorts to a 'gif'

[Clacton White]

Shite absolutely but significantly better than Farke.

Marsch
33 points from 32 games
1.03 ppg
1.2 goals scored per game
1.65 conceded
46% loss percentage.
25% win percentage

Farke
26 points from 49games
0.53 ppg
0.6 scored per game
2.06 conceded
71% loss percentage
12% win percentage


Marsch was bad

Farke was literally the worst manager with 25+ games in Premier League history

One question to me , how would the club be doing now were Marsch in charge in the championship, my guess is way below where the club currently are , the football was poor, there was no tactic as such, it was a losing mentality and getting worse by the week . The one thing Farke had to deal with at the start was a losing mentality which has by and large been turned around . OK I get the point , and I was thinking this myself , going on the current situation you can see why Farke has never succeeded at top level and I can see the 49ers losing patience very soon indeed , but I do think things would have been far worse under Marsch .
I wonder what Bielsa could have got out of these players, overall it's much better than he had when he took over . The attacking options are sensational when it's working , I don't think Farke knows how to make it work consistently.

[Clacton White]

Again Norwich refused to spend money.. Had We stuck with Bielsa's Championship side we'd have finished bottom 3. Stats DO NOT show the whole picture, they barely show a third of it

They can show what you want them to show.....lies , damned lies and statistics .

[DDB220]

It is very much Groundhog Day when it comes to analysing all the minutae when we have a run of poor form and results are inconsistent.

Since expectation was raised following the arrival of Bielsa we have had a results based mid season crisis of varying levels. ( in the 15 years before that poor results were just taken with the usual level of resignation and general acceptance because we were distinctly average at best.) Back when the ownership was the focus of most comments.

For whatever reason Leeds do not do things the easy way. We have a drama of some description every season.

During these mid season crises there is always an inquisition into what is perceived to be going wrong. Stats, comparisons, square pegs / round holes and calls to wield the axe are generally the topics of conversation.

Now some posters on here are literally obsessed with donning their Sherlock hat. It is a natural reaction for some, for me having seen this play out for better or worse for countless seasons I know that whatever I think or write will make zero difference. Therefore, I just support the team and accept that what will be will be.

This is not about burying my head in the sand or being a happy clapper. I adopt the view that on many occasions the cries of impending doom are premature. I accept this is not always the case - the last two seasons in the prem were torture. But the two seasons when we were going for promotion had many similarities to this season.

For me it can go either way - it is what it is. There are no guarantees supporting this club and if you want that you are supporting the wrong team.

[Carrick Dave]

As far as i'm concerned we had the best attacking genius of the modern game, but they wanted clean sheets with shite players, and they wanted rid of him.

They got a man that tried a 'whatever it was' mad rush playground style, but they wanted rid of him.
Leeds tried some futsal whatever that is - But he was no use to them, get rid, they want goals but clean sheets.
A Spaniard came to conquer and play some brash attacking/so called defensive stuff all too soon, in fact way way way too soon for what players he had - get rid, they wished.

Enter the big defensive man, give them their clean sheets (what with our defenders!) - Leeds fans " GET RID, GET RID, GET RID!

So they want - Clean sheets
They want - Goals
They want - Attacking fluent football and amazing players, defenders, midfielders, attackers and brilliant subs

They want, they want, they want - And they want it yesterday.

Strangely poetic Kenny.

[DDB220]

So with regards to my previous post this is not about stifling debate because there are some insightful posts - but my forum based New Year resolution is to avoid engaging in these matters.

Have a good one folks, I am now adopting a withdrawn chill perspective on what is going right or wrong - I will just engage in pun threads for the most part.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Groundhog day same old bollocks from the same old faces.. we weren't that good back then and we aren't now. Sometimes fun to watch though.

[Cjay]

Farke now - important?
Very important because we wanted to return to winning ways. Complicated game because we knew Boxing Day we were in a brilliant shape. Best performance of any team on this league against Ipswich.l Fourth game in 10 days after back to back defeats is hard.

Heavy in the opening 10 minutes, but we opened up eventually. Good assists and perfect header from Bamford. Confidence and rhythm came back. Bit concerned at the beginning of the second because we did not bury the game. Third goal made it clear. Kristoffer good positioning at times.

Good will to return back to the dressing room with the clean sheet. Goalkeepers not available. Full debut for Klaesson, clean sheet. Pascal not available, our rock. Byram injured early. Diffcult today, but ladas responded in the best way. Important to have a good win.


Rutter
Played him more and more in a deeper role. Put him more deeper because we got the feeling he has improved in many areas. Fitness levels for covering more ground. Tidiness with the ball and his confidence levels. Tight areas he lost the ball before, but positional discipline s there. If he plays like this he can do it. Today fulfilled it in a nearly perfect way. Helped to have a target like Patrick in attack. Took the CBs away from him. Brilliant performance to surprise Birmingham with GR in a deeper role.


Bamford
Delighted for him after a difficult time for more than two years. Good pre-season. Close to starting the opening game and then got an injury. Needs time to recover. Unlucky because striker needs goals for confidence. Did not score much from the bench. Been on it in training.

Last two or three weeks we got to give him his chance. Repaid my trust back with a solid performance. CRucial goal. Priceless for his confidence. We need him in his best shape. Important day.


Byram and Cresswell
Sam's hamstring issue. Felt something. Not too bad, but at least bad enough he could not go on. Tricky because I was not sure if Junior could do 80 minutes. Assisted two goals, he needed to dig in to survive this game. Time now for him to recover.

Charlie not here because I wanted creative player like Ian Poveda on the bench. Lacked a it in attack over the last few games. If something happens at CB we had either Gruev or Ampadu.


Cresswell staying?
We will see. He is proud and wants to play after being a main man at Millwall. Competition for places. Up to Charlie if he wants to take on this challenge and climb the ladder. If he wants something different, we will see. No coincidence we gave him a new contract. We have faith in him. Important he is happy with the challenge. On our side, there is no will to let him go


Rutter's flair
Relentless talking to him and explaining. I like the first goal and the confidence as there with the second goa; I want my players to enjoy what they are doing. We need to entertain supporters. He is why fans come here. Fine margins you do not embarrass the opponent. My players need to be respective of the situation Birmingham are in. No need to fool the opponent because we are in a good mood.

If tricks do not make sense, do things in the proper sense. Do not provoke heavy fouls from opponents.


Better for Bamford to come off the bench?
Different types of players. As a striker, to bring me in, I never scored. I needed to start and score. If you are chasing the game it's hard to score or if you are already leading, the risks are not there to create more goals for the subs,

Would have preferred it during this period, for him to make a bigger impact as a sub, but again, I told him if I play you I have a good feeling because he was on it in training. I got the feeling he can be more focused, we spoke about this and he has changed his behaviour.

I got the feeling Patrick needs backing and trust. Always easier when you get the trust to start


Struijk
Needs to see a specialist. Has not made much progress. Fingers crossed for the cup game, but we will not take risks.

[Cjay]

Oh and Rooney was right calling out the Jimmy Saville chants

[Barlow Boy]

Oh and Rooney was right calling out the Jimmy Saville chants

Don’t know if it came across on the streams today, but Rooney was getting some right old stick, some very inventive chants too.