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Sean_Nile wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 4:45 pm We don't do well against 4-3-3. It gets congested as a Vegans colon at the back when we try to attack.

Southampton didn't bother to be wide out on the wings when we went forward, they remained very central across the 18yd box, and more often just backed off and only put in tackles when we came within shooting range. Rutter, Summervile were being continually fouled just outside the box, and if we got a resultant free kick we could do nothing with them, though Sam Greenwood might have. The last free kick specialist was Raph and before that Ian Harte. We don't do particularly well in that area.

Regards our own defending the players positioning could be likened a Jackson Pollack painting of white paint splattered on a green canvas, having no shape or form. Firpo jogs back cos he thinks the ball is going out, and having no sense of urgency his lackadaisical attitude results in a goal. He was not switched on to the danger.

I should not be making an analysis of the mistakes in attack and defence. It feels like rubbing salt in the wounds. It is a mystery how we have changed from a good team to a bad one. All I can think of is a crisis of confidence, and it will take a miracle to remedy that in 9 days.

Miracles are hard to come by as evidenced by the results at Leeds and Ipswich, though that is what we all hoped for.
A culmination of a few things i now feel, and all the stars definitely were not aligning like they did.

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Lack of form
Fatigue most definitely played a part i feel, and it's not like he had bags of 'depth in talent' to juggle players around. I feel he had to play quite a few that quite obviously weren't 'firing on all cylinders'
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Scoobychief wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 4:46 pm If lord farquaad still here Bamford will probably still be his King pin and build a new team around him ready for league 1. Ffs
In his absence do you think we create more ?

Put his finishing to one side and look at games since he returned in the NewYear. Are the team as a collective creating more when he is in the team ? When you realise we are you will then understand why his inclusion is important.
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pandagirl wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 3:09 pm Where are the goals/ clean sheets coming from?
As for goals yes it's a worry. Seeing Summerville with 5 in front of him is frustrating which is why I questioned Gnonto's substitution. Maybe he needed a rest, but if this happens again during the playoffs when Leeds need width and alternative attacking options on the right it could prove disastrous. I hope DF comes up with a plan b & c, one that neatly cuts itself through the middle and over the line.

I'm optimistic Leeds will progress past Norwich but then the final is something else, where Leeds will have to learn from their mistakes or Farke could be discussing team failngs in the boardroom.
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Our season is over,we have lost all our confidence, look knackered and are out of ideas on what to do to win a game.We have absolutely no chance of winning the playoffs after the perfomances of the last few weeks are anything to go by,they all need to go have a rest on a beach and prepare for next season,those that are left anyway!
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weasel wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 4:31 pm Or alternatively he gave out of form players the chance to rediscover their form, given that they are probably the best players that we have in their position. So your suggestion would be to change the team and tactics?

The players have done well with these tactics for the majority of the season. If we are to do well in the play-offs it will be cos the players rediscover their form and do well with the tactics that they have done well with before.
And they've had numerous chances and offered nothing. It's not just 1 game either, it's been 8 games or so.
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DDB220 wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 4:25 pm He doesn’t have the bench to do this Cjay. He has set out his stall. He does make minor tactical changes, but they are not really a plan B - there are only so many tactical changes you can make in a game before it all goes south.
Like any manager he changes players and tweaks things but the platform stays the same.

The reason Gnonto and Summerville come inside is to offer an outlet for the defence, as the two in the middle offer virtually nothing. They only pass forward if we are on top and dominating.
I really do not understand why we try and play out from the back when we are getting so effectively pressed. On most occasions we pass it around whilst effectively retreating. The ball very regularly ends up with Mes who often has to preform a hurried clearance.
Gruev used to want the ball on the half turn - I haven’t seen this for god knows how long.

I do get what you allude to - I just think we do not have the players in key areas to undergo a significant change during a game.
Isn't it part of a manager's job to find solutions as Bielsa used to say though?

He had January if he wanted to try something different but needs 1 or 2 new players?

I don't think Gnonto is suited to playing a right wing traditional role as I said before and felt if Farke insisted on persisting with his BuendiaLite role in his team then Gnonto was probably the only option of him, James, Anthony and Summerville.

But Summerville is perfectly capable of playing as a traditional right winger, so is James, so the options for trying it were available even just on occasion. Just because this inverted winger thing worked once for him with Buendia it doesn't mean you have to shoehorn it into every team you have?

Our lack of goals and craft from midfield was well known in January, we could have looked for something extra then? We could have given Archie the role as he himself sees himself as a box to box midfielder and given him that freedom.

But today again Gray played the role exactly the same as Kamara.

I think the midfield is a massive problem when you play out from the back, think of how important Klich was to Bielsa with him dropping deep then taking up forward positions between the lines to give an extra passing option.

Look at Southampton today and how easily they did it and how important the runs from Smallbone and Downes were and the speed they did it at.


Our midfield basically stand in a square with the 2 cbs, so your only options are back and sidwards between eachother until Jimmy or Gnonto comes back or Georgie for an extra passing option but where do they go? Midfield is behind them or next to them? How often do we see one of them have to pass back or try and turn and beat a man to open up the pitch to find a passing option?

How often have we seen Rodon stride forward into space, get to the halfway line and the cms are next to him marked and the front 4 are in front of him marked so he goes back?

Finally I understand we may not have ideal players to try tweaks or whatnot but isn't that part of being a Championship team? You won't have a squad of ideal players so you just have to try and make the best of it?

I'd rather have a manager who tries and fails than one who just repeats again and again and again even long past when it last worked?

Today was pretty much a freebie in the sense realistically we all knew it was pretty much done.

Once Ipswich scored you knew it was done.

So wasn't today an opportunity to try something else vs a playoff rival? See if we can find a different way? Some tweaks? Ultimately we repeated the 1st time we played Southampton and had the same result.

They walked through us at will.
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GreennWhite wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 1:44 pm The Monty Python songs comes to mind for some of our disgruntled fans " Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life " :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Do remember the context in the movie, and it ain't so bright :(
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I thought the reception the players got at the end of the game, as they were going round applauding the fans, considering what we had just watched, was absolutely incredible.

We, as fans, are doing everything we can, it’s over to the management and players on the pitch now.
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Tyzy wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 5:09 pm Our season is over,we have lost all our confidence, look knackered and are out of ideas on what to do to win a game.We have absolutely no chance of winning the playoffs after the perfomances of the last few weeks are anything to go by,they all need to go have a rest on a beach and prepare for next season,those that are left anyway!
That is it. We are worse off than 1 season ago. The boat has sailed, people are saying it took time for Bielsa, and Farke did it before using time. They don't get it. We are losing the players who dragged us up the table, and don't have money to replace them. The ones who failed us in the prem are returning, anyone fancy Kristensen?
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 5:28 pm I thought the reception the players got at the end of the game, as they were going round applauding the fans, considering what we had just watched, was absolutely incredible.

We, as fans, are doing everything we can, it’s over to the management and players on the pitch now.
:clap:

You could sense the nerves in the crowd and frustration but didn't let it show at the end.

Fair play to you and those at the stadium.
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Well that was a real statement of intent.
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White Riot wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 2:45 pm I see we've been given the earlier kick off next Sunday 12:00 at Norwich.

Second leg at ER 20:00 on the following Thursday.
Damn, I’ve got tickets to see The English Teacher at the Irish Centre that Thursday night, wonder if the match will be on in the bar?
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Overman wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:11 pm Well that was a real statement of intent.
I think he used to sometimes say “jazz, shite”.
Apply that any way you like to the current situation but I doubt Martin is quivering in his boots at the prospect of facing Farke again.
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Jaydog wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:38 pm I think he used to sometimes say “jazz, shite”.
Apply that any way you like to the current situation but I doubt Martin is quivering in his boots at the prospect of facing Farke again.
A few seasons in the future you mean? 😉
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BlancdeBlanc wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:26 pm Damn, I’ve got tickets to see The English Teacher at the Irish Centre that Thursday night, wonder if the match will be on in the bar?
After the first leg you're probably gonna be more interested in The English Teacher :)
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White Riot wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:41 pm A few seasons I'm the future you mean? 😉
No I actually think we’ll get past Norwich but I wouldn’t fancy us beating either of WBA or Soton
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Overman wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:11 pm Well that was a real statement of intent.
:lol: following on from a few other statements of intent the lads have made lately 8-)
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Jaydog wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:43 pm No I actually think we’ll get past Norwich but I wouldn’t fancy us beating either of WBA or Soton
I think Norwich will put it to bed next Sunday Jay, no problemo :)
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Jaydog wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:38 pm I think he used to sometimes say “jazz, shite”.
Apply that any way you like to the current situation but I doubt Martin is quivering in his boots at the prospect of facing Farke again.
If you play a wrong note then it is a mistake if you play it twice in quick succession that's JAZZ.

And as an analogy if you keep playing football games the same way an losing that's relegation.
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White Riot wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 6:46 pm I think Norwich will put it to bed next Sunday Jay, no problemo :)
No WR I am very confident v Norwich. Absolutely no bother.
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