Irish Ian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:04 pm
I get what you are saying, I suppose he feels with 4 attacking players on the pitch we have enough threat?
And of course the Ampadu issue is imo a contributing factor as him playing farther back is limiting his passing range and playing in other midfielders.
If I recall he suggested that DF 90 goals would help us achieve promotion and are not far of that.
Gray is not being used to his strengths and I doubt he will in our set up, saying that he missed an absolute sitter away to Coventy which had it went in etc we would perhaps be in a better position.
But it isnt going to change now
Whether it's right or not we will only know by the end season result I suppose.
Was just a general tactical opinion that seems to have upset some.
Sean_Nile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:19 pm
Is that Vulcan talk
Insufficient facts always invite danger. we don't really know what ails the team, insufficient data
but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one, especially the shareholders
Evil does seem to maintain power by suppressing the truth, that is why Farke will remain as manager
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth, Bamford remains which is improbable because Joseph is impossible.
Superior ability breeds superior ambition, this is why we have Rodon and Ampadu
Pain is a thing of the mind. The mind can be controlled, another year in the championship then. Live long and prosper.
The Subhuman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:31 pm
I agree with you, the way we play is dictated by the way we're set up which is down to Farke pure and simple, it goes wrong, as it has recently, then the blame falls on Farke. When he gets it right he gets the plaudits and he has got it right at time. I'm unclear if he's one of those managers that worries what the opposition could/may/will do and makes adjustments that don't work
Bielsa's way was let them worry about us... just play our game.
Exactly.
It wasn't even a criticism just an observation.
Midfield has 11 shots I think it was all season, creates basically nothing.
Suggesting this is a managerial tactical thing over a player thing is somehow controversial
It's pretty clear at this stage of the season it's a deliberate tactic surely?
Whether that's right or wrong is upto opinion and debate and outcome.
Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:57 pm
I think its extremely rare for sides to play with 2 defensive midfielders these days which is effectively how we play.
Kamara get forwards occasionally but it's rare, it makes the link play between midfield and attack really difficult hence why you often see Rutter or Jimmy coming so deep to receive the ball.
It's not the same as Norwich, they had a threat and goals from midfield in both his Championship seasons from people like Vrancic and Leitner and McClean and others.
It has to he a conscious decision on DF's part?
They had a link player, a holder , Oliver Skipp in that 2nd season doing the KP role but they had people like Dowell playing more box to box.
Maybe it's a consequence of his Premier League struggles? An adaption to try and make his teams harder to beat? Safer passing, less adventurous etc.
I don't know.
But it's different from his Norwich sides.
We have no goals from our central midfielders this season, that is a crazy statistic for a promotion seeking side.
When I think of a team with two DCMs and no threat from CM Gareth Southgate's England comes to mind
It can't just be bad luck that we've gone a full season with no goals from CM, but it could well be an outcome of the coach's strategy
Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:57 pm
I think its extremely rare for sides to play with 2 defensive midfielders these days which is effectively how we play.
Kamara get forwards occasionally but it's rare, it makes the link play between midfield and attack really difficult hence why you often see Rutter or Jimmy coming so deep to receive the ball.
It's not the same as Norwich, they had a threat and goals from midfield in both his Championship seasons from people like Vrancic and Leitner and McClean and others.
It has to he a conscious decision on DF's part?
They had a link player, a holder , Oliver Skipp in that 2nd season doing the KP role but they had people like Dowell playing more box to box.
Maybe it's a consequence of his Premier League struggles? An adaption to try and make his teams harder to beat? Safer passing, less adventurous etc.
I don't know.
But it's different from his Norwich sides.
Kamara isn’t in the team to sit, he gets forward quite a fair bit, the problem is he doesn’t actually serve a purpose when he does. I have seen him carry out some great runs and then he just does something safe. No give and go, no shot from a decent position, he tends to square it. I just don’t understand it. This isn’t instructional it is not in his locker from what I have seen.
He has tried Archie there of late instead and that hasn’t worked as he probably hoped. Firpo loses the licence to get forward. Gruev is simply what Cantona called Deshamps - a water carrier.
The loss of Struijk has really started to hurt now.
Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:59 pm
Erm right OK
I've no idea what vulcan is?
Vulcans, sometimes referred to as Vulcanians, are a fictional extraterrestrial humanoid species in the Star Trek universe.
So all of those Spock quotes went completely over your head and were a waste of time.
Oh Lenny I know exactly what you mean by she gets you on her wavelength and lets the river answer.
Sean_Nile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:59 pm
Vulcans, sometimes referred to as Vulcanians, are a fictional extraterrestrial humanoid species in the Star Trek universe.
So all of those Spock quotes went completely over your head and were a waste of time.
Oh Lenny I know exactly what you mean by she gets you on her wavelength and lets the river answer.
Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:27 pm
My Mrs knows the stats better than most on Eastenders, even more than Cjay with his specialist googling skills
Mine too. She remembers every character from years ago.
Sean_Nile wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:59 pm
Vulcans, sometimes referred to as Vulcanians, are a fictional extraterrestrial humanoid species in the Star Trek universe.
So all of those Spock quotes went completely over your head and were a waste of time.
Oh Lenny I know exactly what you mean by she gets you on her wavelength and lets the river answer.
Ah right completely over my head, never seen a single episode of Star Trek.
DDB220 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:52 pm
Kamara isn’t in the team to sit, he gets forward quite a fair bit, the problem is he doesn’t actually serve a purpose when he does. I have seen him carry out some great runs and then he just does something safe. No give and go, no shot from a decent position, he tends to square it. I just don’t understand it. This isn’t instructional it is not in his locker from what I have seen.
He has tried Archie there of late instead and that hasn’t worked as he probably hoped. Firpo loses the licence to get forward. Gruev is simply what Cantona called Deshamps - a water carrier.
The loss of Struijk has really started to hurt now.
Kamara get forward more than Gruev or Ampadu I agree.
But it's not Klich like which is probably what we need.
You never see one of our cms beyond the striker or anything like that.
Fairly sure Phil did an article on it recently as well.
The only real time it happened I can remember was Archie and it was vs Boro think it lead to a goal or a chance and someone said after DF had specifically said Archie had got too far forward.
Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:57 pm
I think its extremely rare for sides to play with 2 defensive midfielders these days which is effectively how we play.
Kamara get forwards occasionally but it's rare, it makes the link play between midfield and attack really difficult hence why you often see Rutter or Jimmy coming so deep to receive the ball.
It's not the same as Norwich, they had a threat and goals from midfield in both his Championship seasons from people like Vrancic and Leitner and McClean and others.
It has to he a conscious decision on DF's part?
They had a link player, a holder , Oliver Skipp in that 2nd season doing the KP role but they had people like Dowell playing more box to box.
Maybe it's a consequence of his Premier League struggles? An adaption to try and make his teams harder to beat? Safer passing, less adventurous etc.
I don't know.
But it's different from his Norwich sides.
To be honest mate he wasn’t blessed with what we had when he arrived. Not sure what other options he had in the window, he enquired about Riley at Celtic. Gruev was essentially cover for Ampadu.
The Archie / Ampadu pairing was a far better option. The Gruev / Kamara partnership frailties have been pretty much ignored by our invention elsewhere. The lack of goals isn’t an issue if we are scoring, but it is certainly an issue now. Problem is we are short of alternative options.
The loan of Greenwood was perhaps a faux pas in hindsight. But not many were that bothered by it when it happened.
DDB220 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:05 pm
To be honest mate he wasn’t blessed with what we had when he arrived. Not sure what other options he had in the window, he enquired about Riley at Celtic. Gruev was essentially cover for Ampadu.
The Archie / Ampadu pairing was a far better option. The Gruev / Kamara partnership frailties have been pretty much ignored by our invention elsewhere. The lack of goals isn’t an issue if we are scoring, but it is certainly an issue now. Problem is we are short of alternative options.
The loan of Greenwood was perhaps a faux pas in hindsight. But not many were that bothered by it when it happened.
Think it was a mistake using Archie at right back.
Realise needs must etc but playing someone so talented out of position all season feels a mistake.
I nearly watched Game of Thrones but then people I knew were so angry about the final season I didn't bother.
Still worth it, not much wrong with the finale but The Long Night is as great a TV spectacle as you could ever see (episode 3 series 8) The true finale of GoT ....
"Never debate an idiot, they'll only drag you down to their level and they have the advantage of experience"
The Subhuman wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:11 am
Still worth it, not much wrong with the finale but The Long Night is as great a TV spectacle as you could ever see (episode 3 series 8) The true finale of GoT ....
I may do one day.
I always meant to, when it was still on I always intended on watching just never happened.
Then as I said the last season and amount of moaning I heard about it put me off.
Mine too. She remembers every character from years ago.