QPR v Leeds Utd - Post Match Discussion

[JoeDenver]

Good post DDB and agree with your points.

For me Meslier is dreadful, but occasionally pulls off a great save. I have my doubts about Darlow. KK like CC and MJ has not been given a fair chance, but should have been.

But as you say Farke will not give them a chance unless his hand is forced by injury, suspension and lastly desperation.

We'll soon be at the stage where desperation will take priority and I'll predict that we'll see some crazy choices by Farke when the chips are down.

For me, it was desperate a while ago and alternative choices were imperative. And while I just put forth logical lineup alternatives, something tells me Farke will remain steadfast in the lineup that’s got him this far. I hope I’m wrong, but past is prelude…

[Jaydog]

Excuse the edit: but I AM more qualified than Farke. For instance, I very much doubt he could do a chest decompression, let alone perform a laryngoscopy.

Whereas I am quite capable of sending out a football team to lose 4-0.

I’d edit that again and include “I am more than qualified as I know how to send a team out to play lose passes that will inevitably see us loose”.

[White Riot]

Excuse the edit: but I AM more qualified than Farke. For instance, I very much doubt he could do a chest decompression, let alone perform a laryngoscopy.

Whereas I as quite capable of sending out a football team to lose 4-0.

But you wouldn't be able to send out a team to get beat 7-0, 6-0, 6-2 and 5-1 OB and still get praised on here

Cos the genius Bielsa did

And I also guarantee you that nobody on here could talk as much shite as Jesse Marsch, although there have been some valiant attempts

[White Riot]

I’d edit that again and include “I am more than qualified as I know how to send a team out to play lose passes that will inevitably see us loose”.

Jay, I hop yor not loosin it mayte?

Loadsa miles in this one

[Orange Box]

I’d edit that again and include “I am more than qualified as I know how to send a team out to play lose passes that will inevitably see us loose”.

Thank you. My bad.

[Orange Box]

But you wouldn't be able to send out a team to get beat 7-0, 6-0, 6-2 and 5-1 OB and still get praised on here

Cos the genius Bielsa did

And I also guarantee you that nobody on here could talk as much shite as Jesse Marsch, although there have been some valiant attempts

Damn you, you Bulgaria habiting swine.

[Orange Box]

Jay, I hop yor not loosin it mayte?

Loadsa miles in this one

Can’t see miles … couple of foot maybe.

[DDB220]

Excuse the edit: but I AM more qualified than Farke. For instance, I very much doubt he could do a chest decompression, let alone perform a laryngoscopy. Don’t even go there on who would do the better thoracotomy.

Whereas I am quite capable of sending out a football team to lose 4-0.

I can also drink coffee and eat cake- he is just a big timer.

Sacking Farke having achieved 90 points is a ridiculous concept in my opinion. Do I think he is untouchable - No.
if we do not go up I would be hugely surprised if he is not in charge next season. Although the board will expect nothing less than promotion so he cannot afford to lose touch with the top 2. He has set the bar for expectation.

Would I swap him for McKenna - without a doubt. What he has achieved and the way Ipswich play is rather special.

[White Riot]

Damn you, you Bulgaria habiting swine.

too much of the good life OB

[White Riot]

I can also drink coffee and eat cake- he is just a big timer.

Sacking Farke having achieved 90 points is a ridiculous concept in my opinion. Do I think he is untouchable - No.
if we do not go up I would be hugely surprised if he is not in charge next season. Although the board will expect nothing less than promotion so he cannot afford to lose touch with the top 2. He has set the bar for expectation.

Would I swap him for McKenna - without a doubt. What he has achieved and the way Ipswich play is rather special.

I'd agree with that and the fact that we probably can't afford to sack him.

If he takes us up then we are gonna struggle, but he's at least achieved our first objective, and most importantly it will ease our financial woes.

As you say DDB, if we stay down the expectation will be that we coast through to the autos, and as soon as there's any sign that this won't occur he'll be jettisoned.

I think it will be way harder for him next year, as most of our better quality players, that he relies on so much, will be gone and the players that we can afford to recruit won't be of the standard of: Rodon, Rutter, Summerville and Gnonto that's for sure. We're back to bin dipping if we stay in the Championship and I hope people remember the days of Eunan O Kane, Noel Useless Hunt, Laurens De Bock, Matthew Pennington, etc, cos that will be coming back the longer we stay down here.

Pie and mash football incoming, with a cup of Bovril to wash it down

[DDB220]

For me, it was desperate a while ago and alternative choices were imperative. And while I just put forth logical lineup alternatives, something tells me Farke will remain steadfast in the lineup that’s got him this far. I hope I’m wrong, but past is prelude…

Joe - there are two ways you deal with a loss of form, you either trust your players and believe you can play though the malaise or you can chop and change. Most managers go with the former, if you drop experienced players and let’s put the loss of form into perspective most of the team have dropped off. You are effectively pointing the finger at certain individuals - the dressing room and confidence is a fragile place at the best of times.
If we were not playing for anything then nothing is lost by switching things around. Hence why cup ties are generally used for such purposes or if we were mid table he would be looking at next season. The here and now is a different kettle of fish.
This is going to the last game of the season. Even if Ipswich beat Coventry if they lose the last fixture and we win - we go up unless they beat Coventry by a cricket score.

[DDB220]

I'd agree with that and the fact that we probably can't afford to sack him.

If he takes us up then we are gonna struggle, but he's at least achieved our first objective, and most importantly it will ease our financial woes.

As you say DDB, if we stay down the expectation will be that we coast through to the autos, and as soon as there's any sign that this won't occur he'll be jettisoned.

I think it will be way harder for him next year, as most of our better quality players, that he relies on so much, will be gone and the players that we can afford to recruit won't be of the standard of: Rodon, Rutter, Summerville and Gnonto that's for sure. We're back to bin dipping if we stay in the Championship and I hope people remember the days of Eunan O Kane, Noel Useless Hunt, Laurens De Bock, Matthew Pennington, etc, cos that will be coming back the longer we stay down here.

Pie and mash football incoming, with a cup of Bovril to wash it down

I understand all the concerns for next season, much will depend on the budget. We will very likely lose Summerville and Gnonto. Rutter will depend on the size of an offer, we cannot make a loss on him, so I think he stays and I suspect he will not be adverse to staying. Meslier may also move on - despite your views he is well regarded and clubs will be aware that he represents pure profit for us. We will find it difficult to turn down a decent offer and I think he will want to move.
Bamford will stay and Cooper will probably get another year - depends on Cooper.

The loans are an issue, we may strike lucky and sell one or two but they will be all out on loan again. We should get something for Harrison also. It is not as bad as you think.

[White Riot]

I understand all the concerns for next season, much will depend on the budget. We will very likely lose Summerville and Gnonto. Rutter will depend on the size of an offer, we cannot make a loss on him, so I think he stays and I suspect he will not be adverse to staying. Meslier may also move on - despite your views he is well regarded and clubs will be aware that he represents pure profit for us. We will find it difficult to turn down a decent offer and I think he will want to move.
Bamford will stay and Cooper will probably get another year - depends on Cooper.

The loans are an issue, we may strike lucky and sell one or two but they will be all out on loan again. We should get something for Harrison also. It is not as bad as you think.

I hope you're right, but prefer that we go up and we're in a stronger position and maybe keep Jimmy and Willy .

Any decent offer for Meslier and I would snap the buyer's hand off before they think twice.

Go up and we can ditch Cooper, and Bamford no problem.

[The Subhuman]

I won't debate Orta as I thought he was a pretty useless arrogant tosser focused on his own reputation and his desire to sign the next big thing for his own reputation over just the right player.

But I don't think his signings were s**t at this level at all.

Neither should they be given what they cost.

Which apart from Geo was f**k all ..

[Cjay]

I can also drink coffee and eat cake- he is just a big timer.

Sacking Farke having achieved 90 points is a ridiculous concept in my opinion. Do I think he is untouchable - No.
if we do not go up I would be hugely surprised if he is not in charge next season. Although the board will expect nothing less than promotion so he cannot afford to lose touch with the top 2. He has set the bar for expectation.

Would I swap him for McKenna - without a doubt. What he has achieved and the way Ipswich play is rather special.

I agree it's highly unlikely he gets sacked if we don't go up.

All be it I do think that was the objective and I don't think the owners will be at all impressed if we don't given the financial backing he's had (I've never felt as some have that this was a 2 season thing).

But I think the precarious finances will save him.

I would hope though at the very least the performances of plenty of none Championship experienced coaches in the league this season would give the owners a chance to rethink this domestic criteria they apparently preferred last summer (very very old fashioned thinking).

And that down the line it wouldn't be a primary consideration.

Is a discussion on another forum about whether we would likely be better under DF 2nd season and the consensus is no unless we have a spectacular window in the summer (promotion not achieved of course).

Logic being unlike with certain coaches and styles this style isn't reliant on system being king and repetitive coaching making it better and slicker and more effective and players get better at it over time.

It's very individual based and chances are we'd have a less talented squad next season so every chance its worse.

What you think?

[Cjay]

Which apart from Geo was f**k all ..

Is this a debate about in general or whose left?

Apart from James and to a lesser degree Firpo (all be it a £13mil full back at this level is phenomenally expensive).

Possibly right.

In general he spent a fortune on quite a lot of crap.

[Phild]

If we don’t go up tbh don’t care who leaves providing we are financially stable and able to make some moves in the market
The one thing I have disliked this season is our lack of play as a unit, gaps all over the place and easy to play against, particularly down the middle
Even against Boro Howson (didn’t know he was still playing) and Obrien controlled things for a long while
Same with the Hull midfield and even Millwall to a certain degree
Sunder land and Blackburn solid in the final third
We never have long spells of composed control

[1964white]

The one thing I have disliked this season is our lack of play as a unit, gaps all over the place and easy to play against, particularly down the middle

Centre-midfield is weak, Kamara & Gruev would be scary in the PL.

[1964white]

I understand all the concerns for next season, much will depend on the budget. We will very likely lose Summerville and Gnonto. Rutter will depend on the size of an offer, we cannot make a loss on him, so I think he stays and I suspect he will not be adverse to staying. Meslier may also move on - despite your views he is well regarded and clubs will be aware that he represents pure profit for us. We will find it difficult to turn down a decent offer and I think he will want to move.
Bamford will stay and Cooper will probably get another year - depends on Cooper.

The loans are an issue, we may strike lucky and sell one or two but they will be all out on loan again. We should get something for Harrison also. It is not as bad as you think.

I can only see Summerville & Gnonto wanting to move on, I assume we acquire decent money for them both, giving us the opportunity to build a more balanced team. The signature of Rodon will be dependent on any offers Spurs receive. Clubs don't need to spend a fortune to get out this league.

[White Riot]

For me, it was desperate a while ago and alternative choices were imperative. And while I just put forth logical lineup alternatives, something tells me Farke will remain steadfast in the lineup that’s got him this far. I hope I’m wrong, but past is prelude…

Agree Joe

And when there is a change in terms of selection or subs it's usually wrong.