The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 3rd October) Farke didn't want to embarrass players with HT changes

[Sean_Nile]

Over on the match thread it has already been suggested that the two changes to be made are Rodon for Cooper and Anthony for James.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion from the fans. How many of them will be outraged if these changes are not made?

Do we set ourselves up for disappointment if our expectations are not met? It seems to me that team selection should be left up to the discretion of the manager, and not based on an opinion poll of the fans.

As Daniel Farke says the selection of the team depends upon how the players have performed in training.

But oh how glorious it would be if my team selection made the pitch and give us a victory.

[Kennyb41]

In the nicest possible way I’m trying to say there’s a touch of hypocrisy in his actions. Double standards maybe. A blind man could see Drameh was all at sea at Ipswich and look at the difference Shackleton made. That was a positive change and nobody lost any sleep over Drameh’s feelings.

Yeah i can see what you mean, but i can also see where he's coming from.

But the Soton game was definitely more of a team thing rather than singling out an individual, if anyone got it wrong, he did.

So is he taking it on the chin?

It's done anyway, and i wanna see his response.

[1964white]

Farke needs to play his best team & be more ruthless when required.

Selecting Coops & James, when we have shiny new signings with more quality, is not playing his best team.

The captaincy also needs to be sorted out if it causes a selection problem. Two players who are automatic starters are Ampadu & Rodon imo, so it should be one of those two regulars, as Coops & Ayling will miss games. both are now incapable of playing three matches a week, due to their age & fitness/energy levels.

[Orange Box]

I like Farke, I do. I like his manner, his solidarity with his players, but as someone said earlier- it’s a results business. And a strong manager does what needs to be done, even if it means making a couple of multi millionaires feel a wee bit crabbit.

Can you imagine the uproar on here if that was Marsch on the touch line last weekend? I can.

[Jaydog]

Over on the match thread it has already been suggested that the two changes to be made are Rodon for Cooper and Anthony for James.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion from the fans. How many of them will be outraged if these changes are not made?

Do we set ourselves up for disappointment if our expectations are not met? It seems to me that team selection should be left up to the discretion of the manager, and not based on an opinion poll of the fans.

As Daniel Farke says the selection of the team depends upon how the players have performed in training.

But oh how glorious it would be if my team selection made the pitch and give us a victory.

Of course there will be an extra intense focus on Rodon if he comes in. If he has a shocker and Chair runs rings round him I can imagine the nuclear fall out on here.

[Sean_Nile]

Of course there will be an extra intense focus on Rodon if he comes in. If he has a shocker and Chair runs rings round him I can imagine the nuclear fall out on here.

I think about Finland joining NATO. An opinion poll was held and the man in the street determined it was the right thing to do.

I have been getting requests from the Leeds site to pick my team formation and also the players for each position. I wonder if that data is collated and analysed and passed on to Daniel, and would this poll of the fans influence his team selection?

[Jaydog]

I like Farke, I do. I like his manner, his solidarity with his players, but as someone said earlier- it’s a results business. And a strong manager does what needs to be done, even if it means making a couple of multi millionaires feel a wee bit crabbit.

Can you imagine the uproar on here if that was Marsch on the touch line last weekend? I can.

What would he have changed (set up or personnel) and when if his balls were big enough. CB, LB & RB getting roasted, Midfield seemed a million miles apart, Summerville was having the s**t kicked out of him & Piroe was a passenger.
I always imagined CB was the hardest change for a manager to make in game.

[Jaydog]

I think about Finland joining NATO. An opinion poll was held and the man in the street determined it was the right thing to do.

I have been getting requests from the Leeds site to pick my team formation and also the players for each position. I wonder if that data is collated and analysed and passed on to Daniel, and would this poll of the fans influence his team selection?

I’d say the man in the street got it right in that case. After all they can be potentially directly affected by Putins actions.

I sincerely hope not.

[Clacton White]

I guess the game is done now ....move on . I think overall Farke is a good manager, anyone can make a mistake and if they had turned that around he would be a genius . Forget it now .

[WhiteRose]

I think it shows ineffective man management if anything, players should understand that the team comes first and if someone isn’t performing they get replaced - if the attitude is I don’t want to upset someone then that shows a manager who is weak and people won’t respect that. We had another manager once who wasn’t afraid to hook players at any point in a match if the game wasn’t going our way - and the players all loved him for it. I’ll be very angry if he gives cooper another chance to redeem himself tomorrow night - it’s not even a problem with cooper it’s the compromise on struijk that’s the issue.

The troubling stat today is that over the past decade none of the automatically promoted teams had to overcome a deficit as big as the one Leeds are looking at with this many games played - I’d still expect Ipswich to come unstuck at some point but Leicester look like they will runaway with it whilst we toil in the mud with the rest.

[mentalcase]

Over on the match thread it has already been suggested that the two changes to be made are Rodon for Cooper and Anthony for James.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion from the fans. How many of them will be outraged if these changes are not made?

Do we set ourselves up for disappointment if our expectations are not met? It seems to me that team selection should be left up to the discretion of the manager, and not based on an opinion poll of the fans.

As Daniel Farke says the selection of the team depends upon how the players have performed in training.

But oh how glorious it would be if my team selection made the pitch and give us a victory.

I think we all agree that selection is left to DF,but, this is a debate, hence why we are putting our twopennorth in, there is no way in the world a manager with any salt about him would listen to an online poll.
As for picking players that train the best !
Some players can't train as good as others due to a number of factors, but when out on t' pitch certainly give their all, Pablo was one, Mcgrath another, then you have players like bamford, harrison and roberts who must have ripped it up in training and thats where it stopped.

[lufc1304]

At the game on saturday sat behind Mesliers goal (home end) we were shocked at how we were getting opened up so easily, we wanted at least one change after 30 mins, thats how we saw things unfold.

Who'd be a manager, mc; damned if you do, damned if you don't? He got Saturday wrong, and the players didn't turn up, I don't think that will happen again.

[mentalcase]

Who'd be a manager, mc; damned if you do, damned if you don't? He got Saturday wrong, and the players didn't turn up, I don't think that will happen again.

Very true 1304, very true, I respect DF ,I think he got it wrong and he knows he did, so many things went against us, we still had enough chances as well but failed to score.
Like you say, it won't happen too regularly under DF.
Lets hope he realises and is more ruthless in future.

[Orange Box]

What would he have changed (set up or personnel) and when if his balls were big enough. CB, LB & RB getting roasted, Midfield seemed a million miles apart, Summerville was having the s**t kicked out of him & Piroe was a passenger.
I always imagined CB was the hardest change for a manager to make in game.

I don't know what he should have changed. That's his job, not mine.

My point is that he said he didn't want to embarrass his players. That shouldn't be enough, especially for those thousands of real fans who travel the length and breadth of the country spending their hard earned. I don't do that any more, but if I did I sure would be mad as hell at that excuse. Others may disagree.

[The Subhuman]

Over on the match thread it has already been suggested that the two changes to be made are Rodon for Cooper and Anthony for James.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion from the fans. How many of them will be outraged if these changes are not made?

Do we set ourselves up for disappointment if our expectations are not met? It seems to me that team selection should be left up to the discretion of the manager, and not based on an opinion poll of the fans.

As Daniel Farke says the selection of the team depends upon how the players have performed in training.

But oh how glorious it would be if my team selection made the pitch and give us a victory.

My position is simple. it always is. You pick the best team available. I'd rather Anthony starts over James for obvious reasons but I'm not going to rant if he doesn't. Rodon though is different, he doesn't force us to use players out of position and has built up an excellent relationship with Struijk. Cooper forces us to play a player out of position and he's yet to play well with Struijk... If that's even possible

You could drop Struijk but then what "message" does that send to drop one of best players this season, one whom has barely put a foot wrong.

[Ellandback1]

Over on the match thread it has already been suggested that the two changes to be made are Rodon for Cooper and Anthony for James.

That seems to be the consensus of opinion from the fans. How many of them will be outraged if these changes are not made?

Depends if we win. He'll be hung out to dry if we lose, and nothing will be said if we win. It's almost a no win situation for Farke.

[Aussieleeds]

Any manager only has one thing to consider at 3-0 down. If I make substitutions are we more or less likely to win?

Surely no one thinks it’s ok if he’s thinking “Hmmm, we can win this if I take Coops off, but he might be upset so I’ll leave him on.”

At 3-0 down he’s got to be thinking about scoring not about fixing the defence. So more likely to be looking at changing up the system. In which case why would anyone throw a tantrum at being replaced?

This is the first thing I haven’t liked about Farke.

[Ellandback1]

When we didn't make any half time changes, we may have well conceded the game then.

We probably have the strongest bench in the Championship. I know that coming from 3-0 down is a big ask, but at least give it a go.

[Jaydog]

I don't know what he should have changed. That's his job, not mine.

My point is that he said he didn't want to embarrass his players. That shouldn't be enough, especially for those thousands of real fans who travel the length and breadth of the country spending their hard earned. I don't do that any more, but if I did I sure would be mad as hell at that excuse. Others may disagree.

Agree
As I said already he’d clearly proved he was capable of swinging the axe with the Drameh change at Ipswich.
He couldn’t change virtually the whole team in this instance but he could’ve changed a couple and tweaked the system. Tough to do but that’s his job.

[geronimo]

If he doesn't want to embarrass the players by taking them off when there are having a bad game , we are in big trouble
The managers job is to play the best team possible, not consistently selecting players who can't cut the mustard or ain't good enough and there are plenty to choose from within the squad
If sentiment comes in to it over selecting certain players all the time when they are clearly not up to scratch, then we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle