The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 2nd October) Bad day at the office for the Whites

[mentalcase]

They don't have anything to offer they ain't good enough
Even if they are played as cover , the same mistakes will still happen
This mindset is laughable once a player reaches a stage where he can't do his job properly he must be replaced if you want to be successful, football is a ruthless business therefore the people in charge must be ruthless as well
None of your top sides will carry donkeys in the squad , once they are past their sell by date , they get rid of them it's as simple as that

Yea I have to agree, but we don't have an endless pot of brass to keep replacing everyone all the time, considering some of those players were in t' team that finished 13th pre bielsa says a lot about our recruiting.
I agree 100% about being ruthless, hanging on to players for loyalty reasons get us nowhere fast.

[1964white]

Those 3 still have something to offer, but as cover only imo, i'll be well annoyed if bamford comes in in front of either Rutter or piroe cooper hasn't got the pace for the game now.
As Ian says above, SH have to be given credit, especially the manager who totally out witted DF.

As I will Mental, hope not, as I've already had one fuming rant with the Cooper over the classy Rodon selection.

[1964white]

I don't blame Cooper, the blames solely with Farke for picking Coops over Rodon.

As we become older, our legs & bodies don't work as efficiently, contrary to what our brain is telling us.

[ruttermania]

It seemed from the start on Saturday that a lot of the team were starting to believe the hype and it is probably no harm that this particular balloon was punctured early . Farke has a job to do in terms of making sure that the squad stay grounded but he's not going to turn around and slate them to give you crowd your jollies . Ayling , Bamford and Cooper have all been outstanding for Leeds over the years and many of the injury problems are due to the demands made on them in that time. They will all make contributions over the course of the season and they are substantially better than 98% of what's available to 'replace' them. Playing 2 left Footed Centre Backs is high risk and particularly in the second half it caused huge problems in generating momentum when there was a chance of pulling it back . The truth is that Southampton were ruthless /lucky in greatly exceeding their XG in the first half and Leeds were well below par but I'm not panicking. The squad is settled and well ahead of the bulk of our challengers and there's money to strengthen in January . We have a good manager and it is a long season so let's see how it all shapes up after Xmas.

[mentalcase]

As I will Mental, hope not, as I've already had one fuming rant with the Cooper over the classy Rodon selection.

I don't get what DF was trying to achieve or what particular message he was trying to relay with that decision, it baffled us all on saturday, Rodon was very unlucky to get sent off because of an inept ref, surely Farke could see that, or was he that desperate to shoehorn cooper back in ?
This is why I wouldn't rule out bamford now sliding back in at the cost of Rutter or Piroe.
It's hard trying to keep everyone happy, but theres a fine line when it upsets the apple cart, 2 left footed CHs, when we weren't desperate was an odd decision.

[Byebyegeegee]

We were very slow out of the blocks on Saturday, in fact we barely got out of 1st gear in the 1st half, we just weren’t on our game. Southampton, by contrast, were straight into top gear, credit to them, we barely got a kick in the 1st 45 minutes.

2nd half was a bit better, but even then we were not really up to speed. Southampton were able to rest on their laurels and sit back comfortably. There was a glimmer of hope when Piroe momentarily had a bit of space in their box and was found with a slide rule pass by Rutter, but, true to our performance overall, Piroe mis-controlled and the chance was gone. Had we been able to take that chance and make it 3-2, then the conclusion might have been different, but as it was, in the end we ran out deserved losers.

Without singling anyone out our whole team was poor on the day - not unfortunate, and, as Ian has said, we should credit Southampton for seeming to want it more.

[geronimo]

Yea I have to agree, but we don't have an endless pot of brass to keep replacing everyone all the time, considering some of those players were in t' team that finished 13th pre bielsa says a lot about our recruiting.
I agree 100% about being ruthless, hanging on to players for loyalty reasons get us nowhere fast.

It's lack of investment stretching back at least three years ,the job to replace the deadwood should have began immediately that's what the 49ers and farke are supposed to be doing
This is how you find out what the owners intentions are very quickly as to whether they have serious ambition or not , up to now I have seen very little of it
Farke can only work with the players at his disposal but it's plain to see that not only them three but quite a few more ain't good enough
Getting rodon and Spence on loan are a classic case of sidestepping the issue , when we need permanent signings in them positions, once they go back it's more work to do on the team and so it escalates over time, the better players leave cos they see no future at a club where the team is simply been patched up every season, instead of been rebuilt properly

[1964white]

I don't get what DF was trying to achieve or what particular message he was trying to relay with that decision, it baffled us all on saturday, Rodon was very unlucky to get sent off because of an inept ref, surely Farke could see that, or was he that desperate to shoehorn cooper back in ?
This is why I wouldn't rule out bamford now sliding back in at the cost of Rutter or Piroe.
It's hard trying to keep everyone happy, but theres a fine line when it upsets the apple cart, 2 left footed CHs, when we weren't desperate was an odd decision.

Some fans have attempted to justify Coops starting because he had a decent game vs Watford, folk seem to forget he was marking one of the most inept No.9s I've witnessed at ER. Rajovic's main part of his game was kicking our defenders, even Watford fans think he is useless, cost £1m from some Danish team.

The Saints attack was a different kettle of fish altogether, even a blind man could see it before a ball was kicked.

It didn't take long did it? Our defending reminded me of last season all over again.....horrific!

[geronimo]

Some fans have attempted to justify Coops starting because he had a decent game vs Watford, folk seem to forget he was marking one of the most inept No.9s I've witnessed at ER. Rajovic's main part of his game was kicking our defenders, even Watford fans think he is useless, cost £1m from some Danish team.

The Saints attack was a different kettle of fish altogether, even a blind man could see it before a ball was kicked.

It didn't take long did it? Our defending reminded me of last season all over again.....horrific!

Any team with a decent strikeforce will terrify our back four , I can imagine Clarke coming back with Sunderland and having a field day

[CUSSIE01]

Those 3 still have something to offer, but as cover only imo, i'll be well annoyed if bamford comes in in front of either Rutter or piroe. cooper hasn't got the pace for the game now.
As Ian says above, SH have to be given credit, especially the manager who totally out witted DF.

I can’t see Bamford coming in to start but I can see a place for him coming on with 15mins left to hold the ball up, get knock downs & lay offs. Plus I think he’d do a job hassling & harrying if we’re ahead & disrupting the flow of play. It’s going to be a long season & we’ll need everyone we have at some stage.

[WhiteRose]

It’s a shame Spence got injured, we saw 15 mins of him and it was enough to show he is head and shoulders above the other options there - freak injury though is par for the course for us, wouldn’t surprise me if spurs recall him before he plays a game for us.

[whiteinfrance]

Not to worry - Firpo will be back soon!

[mentalcase]

Not to worry - Firpo will be back soon!

Imagine that, may as well include costa as well

[Leeds1000]

Bad day at the office for the Whites.

Aye is was. Getting a bit of stick at work i just said no complaints from me we were soundly beaten on the day. We will hammer QPR and all will be rosy in the Garden again. Against the so called better teams away from home i am with those who suggest a 3 man midfield.

Is Cooper an easy target for the Leeds boo boys.

Will need to be building a solid pairing at CB and that definitely includes Rodon. Coops can do a job if injuries happen. We win as a team and lose as individuals....

[geronimo]

Bad day at the office for the Whites.

Aye is was. Getting a bit of stick at work i just said no complaints from me we were soundly beaten on the day. We will hammer QPR and all will be rosy in the Garden again. Against the so called better teams away from home i am with those who suggest a 3 man midfield.

Is Cooper an easy target for the Leeds boo boys.

Will need to be building a solid pairing at CB and that definitely includes Rodon. Coops can do a job if injuries happen. We win as a team and lose as individuals....

Beating qor won't mean a thing , because there is no consistency in the team , we need to string wins together regularly to have any chance of catching the teams at the top we have won three games in nine , that ain't promotion form
Leicester are showing everybody how to get promoted

[Phild]

I understand criticism of Cooper
However in this division we have more than enough firepower to overcome the defensive frailties we may endure in a game
So far perhaps most inconsistencies are up front
We need those guys performing every week, there are enough options available

[mentalcase]

I understand criticism of Cooper
However in this division we have more than enough firepower to overcome the defensive frailties we may endure in a game
So far perhaps most inconsistencies are up front
We need those guys performing every week, there are enough options available

Yea, once again if we put our chances away we could have got something from the game, some team will however get smashed by us, lets hope it's soon.

[JoeDenver]

Like i said, i need to see his response v QPR.

This is the first time i've felt aggrieved at DF's decision making, i just hope he owns it (fck me i'm turning into a Yankee).

OMG ! I hope i'm super excited before and after QPR.

It’s only a matter of time before you’ll be using Fahrenheit for the weather. Mwahhaha!!

[Ellandback1]

Morning all.
Had a good long weekend down south, typically the football spoilt it all.
Set off friday and stayed over in cambden town, went down to a place called hedge end before game, thats when alarm bells sounded, team news had cooper starting !!
We were smack behind the goal where they scored, cooper was atrocious, standing with body turned and hands behind his back isn't leadership material for me, he wasn't totally to blame, so many players had off days.
We were thinking DF would make changes on the halfhour mark, he didn't we thought it would be halftime, again, it didn't happen, I've read his post match remarks and it's the first time I've disagreed with him, leaving players on in the vain hope they'll learn from mistakes is a terrible decision.
Collectively we were very poor, to get outdone all over the park against a team losing their previous 4 is shambolic, yes, these things happen, but, we allowed them to happen with no belly for a fight.
Anyway, when Struijk scored we left and stole a march on the traffic back to london where we had another great night out, it was a long drive home yesterday afternoon with nothing to cheer about.
I would like to see Rodon & Anthony back in front of Cooper & James or Summerville, Kamara won't have as bad a day as that for a long while, but he could be replaced by Gray, will be interesting to see Farkes reaction to this dross loss.
Where was the leadership on saturday ?? Cooper is meant to be captain isn't he, why didn't he put pressure on the ref when that player clattered Summerville and he'd already been booked, Cooper never takes it to the ref, why is he captain ?
2 left footed CHs dosen't work.
2 back to back home wins will go a long way to addressing the situation.

Sounds like a corker!!!! All, apart from the game itself!

[mentalcase]

Sounds like a corker!!!! All, apart from the game itself!

It was EB thanks, had a lovely meal with the lads on friday in london and plenty drinks. got down to hedge end for a few then the bloody game started
Anyway, more drinks and a bite to eat in cambden and some live music, then back up yesterday stopping off in Loughborough for a couple.
Hopefully 2 good back to back results at home will make us forget about saturdays match, lessons ought to be learnt.