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Good Morning. It's Monday 2nd October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Bad day at the office for the Whites

Leeds six match unbeaten run came to an end at St Mary's at the weekend, after a dire performance all round from Daniel Farke's men. Expectations were high going into the match, and why not? Southampton had lost all four of their previous games, leaking 12 times in the process. In contrast, with 2 win, two draws and four clean sheets, Leeds had reached the dizzy heights of sixth, and even had half an eye on the top two. Leeds got of to the worst possible start, going behind after just two minutes. Kyle Walker-Peters through ball, sliced the Leeds centre backs wide open for Adam Armstrong to latch onto, and chip the ball past Meslier from an acute angle.

Russell Martin's side kept the pressure up, and deservedly doubled their lead on the half hour mark, after Sulemana got the better of Shackleton (as he would continue to do for most of the game). With few options, he passed to Will Smallbone, who was surrounded by six blue shirts. From twelve yards out, the Republic of Ireland International simply passed the ball into the back of the net to open his account for the Saints.

Two quickly became three, four minutes later when Sulemana cut inside from the wing, releasing Adam Armstong, wide and deep, within the Leeds penalty area. He danced past Byram (several times) before smashing the ball past Meslier. Leeds got one back just before the hour mark, with Struijk grabbing his third of the season (from all competitions), but never looked like repeating their famous 4-3 comeback of 2005. The Whites got exactly what they deserved from this game; there were just too many Leeds players having off days!





Is Cooper an easy target for the Leeds boo boys

For a long while now (especially when on the end of a hiding), Leeds fans tend to reach out to social media and single out certain individuals who they believe are most responsible for a bad performance, and Saturday was no different.

Blame culture is nothing new at Leeds Utd, though certain players tend to get tarred with the same brush, whether deserved on not. Last weekend, it was Liam Cooper's turn to be the sacrificial lamb. Whilst his performance at St Mary's was below par, so was everyone else's. In fact, it's difficult to remember a game where so many Leeds players were having an off day. Did the Leeds skipper deserve the criticism or is he an easy target?





Farke feels Leeds were unfortunate

In his post match interview, Leeds Manager Daniel Farke defended the indefeasible by insinuating Leeds had been unlucky at St Mary's. According to the gaffer, the opening goal was offside and midfielder Will Smallbone was lucky to be on the pitch after his challenge on Summerville, after he had already picked up a booking. He dissected all three goal Leeds conceded but insisted he couldn't remember Meslier having to make a save...

Congratulations to Southampton, they were more effective in this game. With the statistics, we have won more or less each and every statistic, but the result is all that matters and the result is 3-1, so congratulations to them. Our defensive behaviour was not spot on like in the last games, in the last four games we were there with four clean sheets in a row and we didn’t allow the opponents to have many chances. “Today we needed to be more aware and sharper in the decisive moments.

Apart from the goals, I can’t remember one situation where Illan Meslier had to make a save, so we didn’t allow them too much. Sometimes tiny little moments can make a big difference. When we talk about the first goal, yes, normally if you would go to VAR it probably would have been ruled out as offside, but sadly there is no VAR in the Championship, therefore we have to drop a bit quicker in order to defend the run of Adam Armstrong.

The second goal, yes we should have shifted a bit quicker and sharper against the ball, but it was also unbelievably unlucky. “There was a situation where there was a foul by Smallbone against Crysencio Summerville. “You could also argue, he was on a yellow card, I don’t ask for yellow and red cards, but you could at least discuss about this.

Normally we would then play on an overload, but because of this situation, Cry needed treatment and there are protocols where he has to stay for 30 seconds out of the pitch, which meant we had to play an underload. In this moment, Smallbone, the player who fouled him, was there to score the cut-back. I don’t use this as an excuse, but to speak about it, we could have been sharper and quicker, but it was one of those days where we were a little unlucky and every mistake was punished.

I can’t argue about the third goal, individual behaviour has to be better against Armstrong. “If you are 3-0 down at half-time, it’s always difficult to return back with points.




Hay questions Farke's decision not to recall Rodon

After the game, Elland Road journalist Phil Hay took to social media to question Daniel Farke's decision not to recall Joe Rodon after his one match suspension. Farke had mentioned in his post match presser that it would have sent the wrong message to the dressing room, had he changed the team, after their performance against Watford. Hay was critical of the German saying that Rodon deserved to start, and the 'Leeds defence was at at sea' without him.

The former Chief Football Writer for the Yorkshire Evening Post wasn't the only one to question Farke's defensive line up. Former White, now pundit Jon Newsome insisted that Farke needs to drop Liam Cooper for the rest of the season in favour of Pascal Struijk (to play alongside Joe Rodon).


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Like i said, i need to see his response v QPR.

This is the first time i've felt aggrieved at DF's decision making, i just hope he owns it (fck me i'm turning into a Yankee).

OMG ! I hope i'm super excited before and after QPR.
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I hate to say it but there has been the slow osmosis of cancel culture from Social Media to football fans.

If a celebrity or a footballer commits a transgression there is an immediate pile on, and we have trial by Twitter.

If the outcry is loud enough celebrities loose their jobs or footballers their position.

Who would say that many of Radrizanni's responses or decision making was not influenced by the pressure from social media?

The danger is that it is no way to run a club, where decisions are being made by the howling mob baying for blood... perhaps it is a good thing that the 49ers remain detached and keep a low profile.
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What they need to do is get a better office like Leicester have done 😆
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I didn't see the game on Saturday, by all accounts we were poor, so everyone will look for reasons why.
It certainly seems a strange decision to leave out Rodon who has been excellent, and play two left footed CB's.
DF's comments certainly made it sound like Rodon was being punished for his sending off but if that's the case it was a mistake.
As long as we get the three points against QPR this performance will soon be forgotten.
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Defence wasn’t great. Cooper got the nod probably due the good previous win. We can over analyse this.

Next match suspect rodon is back in.

Re cooper dropped for the season: seems like an overreaction. We don’t know what injuries we will pick up. I would like to see cresswell being the third choice ( behind rodon and struijk) and let him develop into the first team. This would mean cooper is back up.

What we can’t qualify is the level of leadership the more mature players bring ( ayling and cooper). When does their performance outweigh their leadership contribution? I think we’re reaching that point.
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Chilli D wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:10 am I didn't see the game on Saturday, by all accounts we were poor, so everyone will look for reasons why.
It certainly seems a strange decision to leave out Rodon who has been excellent, and play two left footed CB's.
DF's comments certainly made it sound like Rodon was being punished for his sending off but if that's the case it was a mistake.
As long as we get the three points against QPR this performance will soon be forgotten.
It's either that, or he kept a winning team, maybe 50/50 both.

QPR game is needed.
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Morning all.
Had a good long weekend down south, typically the football spoilt it all.
Set off friday and stayed over in cambden town, went down to a place called hedge end before game, thats when alarm bells sounded, team news had cooper starting !!
We were smack behind the goal where they scored, cooper was atrocious, standing with body turned and hands behind his back isn't leadership material for me, he wasn't totally to blame, so many players had off days.
We were thinking DF would make changes on the halfhour mark, he didn't we thought it would be halftime, again, it didn't happen, I've read his post match remarks and it's the first time I've disagreed with him, leaving players on in the vain hope they'll learn from mistakes is a terrible decision.
Collectively we were very poor, to get outdone all over the park against a team losing their previous 4 is shambolic, yes, these things happen, but, we allowed them to happen with no belly for a fight.
Anyway, when Struijk scored we left and stole a march on the traffic back to london where we had another great night out, it was a long drive home yesterday afternoon with nothing to cheer about.
I would like to see Rodon & Anthony back in front of Cooper & James or Summerville, Kamara won't have as bad a day as that for a long while, but he could be replaced by Gray, will be interesting to see Farkes reaction to this dross loss.
Where was the leadership on saturday ?? Cooper is meant to be captain isn't he, why didn't he put pressure on the ref when that player clattered Summerville and he'd already been booked, Cooper never takes it to the ref, why is he captain ?
2 left footed CHs dosen't work.
2 back to back home wins will go a long way to addressing the situation.
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It’s a point that’s been made before but when you consider we were in the prem for 3 years it beggars belief that cooper is still with us - he has been decent at times and deserves to be remembered well but it’s time to leave him in the rear view mirror now.
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It’s a point that’s been made before but when you consider we were in the prem for 3 years it beggars belief that cooper is still with us - he has been decent at times and deserves to be remembered well but it’s time to leave him in the rear view mirror now.
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WhiteRose wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:02 am It’s a point that’s been made before but when you consider we were in the prem for 3 years it beggars belief that cooper is still with us - he has been decent at times and deserves to be remembered well but it’s time to leave him in the rear view mirror now.
Yea, he's been decent, but saturday he was shown up, surely if we have any serious intentions for progressing we would be using the likes of cooper and bamford very sparingly.
Rodon must have been privately fuming at being dropped but bemused at his replacement .
Farke has to be more ruthless, no place for sentiment in this game.
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 am Yea, he's been decent, but saturday he was shown up, surely if we have any serious intentions for progressing we would be using the likes of cooper and bamford very sparingly.
Rodon must have been privately fuming at being dropped but bemused at his replacement .
Farke has to be more ruthless, no place for sentiment in this game.
There’s a theory taken from Farkes comments that this was a punishment of sorts for Rodon. Or maybe he was loyal to the Watford side. Take your pick .
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 am Yea, he's been decent, but saturday he was shown up, surely if we have any serious intentions for progressing we would be using the likes of cooper and bamford very sparingly.
Rodon must have been privately fuming at being dropped but bemused at his replacement .
Farke has to be more ruthless, no place for sentiment in this game.
Can’t agree on Bamford, if he’s fit I’d still play him at least as a sub - he’s still got a lot to offer if he’s found his confidence again.
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Jaydog wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:15 am There’s a theory taken from Farkes comments that this was a punishment of sorts for Rodon. Or maybe he was loyal to the Watford side. Take your pick .
If it was a bad red card and ill disciplined I could see that but he shouldnt of even been sent off so dosnt make sense to me.
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Afternoon all, bad day at the office sounds about right.

Cooper gets the heat but Pirlo had a bad game too. Its life.

But what if instead of blaming ourselves every time we offered a tiny bit of credit to the opposition.

SH were set up well, stuck to their plan and took their chances with well executed finishing. They needed that win more than us and deserved it

Farke got mugged in the first half. It happens.

A couple of rotations clearly in the pipeline for Qpr and let's hope for a bounce back.


But let's get behind the team not on top of them.
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 am Yea, he's been decent, but saturday he was shown up, surely if we have any serious intentions for progressing we would be using the likes of cooper and bamford very sparingly.
Rodon must have been privately fuming at being dropped but bemused at his replacement .
Farke has to be more ruthless, no place for sentiment in this game.
These points regarding cooper, bamford, ayling have been made for a very long time now by many fans
The reason they are still there and still been played is because the club have not invested in players to replace them
If the fans can see it for so long , it beggars belief why the powers that be cannot and have not acted
That's why this club won't challenge at the top for promotion when there are too many passengers in the squad
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Irish Ian wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:22 am Afternoon all, bad day at the office sounds about right.

Cooper gets the heat but Pirlo had a bad game too. Its life.

But what if instead of blaming ourselves every time we offered a tiny bit of credit to the opposition.

SH were set up well, stuck to their plan and took their chances with well executed finishing. They needed that win more than us and deserved it

Farke got mugged in the first half. It happens.

A couple of rotations clearly in the pipeline for Qpr and let's hope for a bounce back.


But let's get behind the team not on top of them.
I’d definitely play Pirlo on Wednesday although he’s getting on a bit.
In fairness it’s exactly what I said on Saturday. They were superb for 45 minutes. Totally blew us away highlighted by Armstrong turning Byram inside out.
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geronimo wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 am These points regarding cooper, bamford, ayling have been made for a very long time now by many fans
The reason they are still there and still been played is because the club have not invested in players to replace them
If the fans can see it for so long , it beggars belief why the powers that be cannot and have not acted
That's why this club won't challenge at the top for promotion when there are too many passengers in the squad
Those 3 still have something to offer, but as cover only imo, i'll be well annoyed if bamford comes in in front of either Rutter or piroe. cooper hasn't got the pace for the game now.
As Ian says above, SH have to be given credit, especially the manager who totally out witted DF.
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mentalcase wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:32 am Those 3 still have something to offer, but as cover only imo, i'll be well annoyed if bamford comes in in front of either Rutter or piroe. cooper hasn't got the pace for the game now.
As Ian says above, SH have to be given credit, especially the manager who totally out witted DF.
They don't have anything to offer they ain't good enough
Even if they are played as cover , the same mistakes will still happen
This mindset is laughable once a player reaches a stage where he can't do his job properly he must be replaced if you want to be successful, football is a ruthless business therefore the people in charge must be ruthless as well
None of your top sides will carry donkeys in the squad , once they are past their sell by date , they get rid of them it's as simple as that
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geronimo wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 am These points regarding cooper, bamford, ayling have been made for a very long time now by many fans
The reason they are still there and still been played is because the club have not invested in players to replace them
If the fans can see it for so long , it beggars belief why the powers that be cannot and have not acted
That's why this club won't challenge at the top for promotion when there are too many passengers in the squad
Agree, Radz & co were tight arses, never covered key positions with decent back-up
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