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whiteswan wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:09 pm Doubt Archie would want to leave to be honest...
Doubt he'd have much choice Swannie.

We owe £190mil in transfer fees.

We aren't making a profit on people like Aaronson, Llorente, Roca etc.

Archie and Summerville would represent the biggest profit ffp wise and probably fee wise.

No promotion and we likely have to sell Archie, Summerville and a few others
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Cjay wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:20 pm Doubt he'd have much choice Swannie.

We owe £190mil in transfer fees.

We aren't making a profit on people like Aaronson, Llorente, Roca etc.

Archie and Summerville would represent the biggest profit ffp wise and probably fee wise.

No promotion and we likely have to sell Archie, Summerville and a few others

Archie and Summerville are the ones that balance the FFP books.

Not getting our money back on Firop, Rutter, James etc
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Cjay wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:20 pm Doubt he'd have much choice Swannie.

We owe £190mil in transfer fees.

We aren't making a profit on people like Aaronson, Llorente, Roca etc.

Archie and Summerville would represent the biggest profit ffp wise and probably fee wise.

No promotion and we likely have to sell Archie, Summerville and a few others
I'd still be very surprised Cjay
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whiteswan wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:09 pm Doubt Archie would want to leave to be honest...
He shouldn't.
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Wasn't sure where this should go but just thinking.

Remembering how important Klich was for Bielsa with his runs helping to make overloads and give us a numerical advantage in attacking areas (not to mention his goals and creativity).

Vrancic did the same for Norwich.

Summerville gets doubled up on, Rutter gets doubled up on, then bar great skill it's good night Vienna and pass back to Ampadu and pass pass pass for another 20 minutes.

Why aren't we allowing one of our cms (Gray most likely) to play more box to box?

Giving us the potential of a numerical advantage in dangerous areas and an option to play faster 1 touch football to get a chance perhaps?

It's all just very slow and safe and meh as a style.

DF seems to have got more cautious as a manager as the seasons went by.
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Gray's hit the wall ..... he'll be much better next season
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Cjay wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:55 pm Wasn't sure where this should go but just thinking.

Remembering how important Klich was for Bielsa with his runs helping to make overloads and give us a numerical advantage in attacking areas (not to mention his goals and creativity).

Vrancic did the same for Norwich.

Summerville gets doubled up on, Rutter gets doubled up on, then bar great skill it's good night Vienna and pass back to Ampadu and pass pass pass for another 20 minutes.

Why aren't we allowing one of our cms (Gray most likely) to play more box to box?

Giving us the potential of a numerical advantage in dangerous areas and an option to play faster 1 touch football to get a chance perhaps?

It's all just very slow and safe and meh as a style.

DF seems to have got more cautious as a manager as the seasons went by.
I was disappointed with Archie yesterday. Thought he'd give us a bit more spark up front. But we just got a carbon copy of Kamara.

I thought it was inexperience. Maybe he doesn't know how to find the right positions yet. Maybe he doesn't know his role. Maybe he's afraid of doing the wrong thing.

But it could also be Farke too who instructed him to stand there like a pillar box and play the Kamara role.
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Congratulations Archie
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:37 pm I was disappointed with Archie yesterday. Thought he'd give us a bit more spark up front. But we just got a carbon copy of Kamara.

I thought it was inexperience. Maybe he doesn't know how to find the right positions yet. Maybe he doesn't know his role. Maybe he's afraid of doing the wrong thing.

But it could also be Farke too who instructed him to stand there like a pillar box and play the Kamara role.
It was Farke I'd assume?

He and Kamara playing the same role the same way suggests tactical instructions to me.

We play 2 holding midfielders for some reason
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:37 pm I was disappointed with Archie yesterday. Thought he'd give us a bit more spark up front. But we just got a carbon copy of Kamara.

I thought it was inexperience. Maybe he doesn't know how to find the right positions yet. Maybe he doesn't know his role. Maybe he's afraid of doing the wrong thing.

But it could also be Farke too who instructed him to stand there like a pillar box and play the Kamara role.
He's hit the wall.. 22/23 yr old rookies in American Football hit the wall more often or not so it's not surprising a 17/18 yr old in his first full season has done the same ... How many games has he played?
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The Subhuman wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:58 pm He's hit the wall.. 22/23 yr old rookies in American Football hit the wall more often or not so it's not surprising a 17/18 yr old in his first full season has done the same ... How many games has he played?
A lot.

47 minutes worth of matches.

10 more than Bellingham at same age
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To go along with Archie's EFL Young Player of the Year Award...


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I must have missed a few of those goals ..... I recall one
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Archie has hit the wall :lol: :lol: :lol:
If thats the case then we must have the worst team of medical people in the whole of football. These guys monitor Archie and all the other players to the absolute death and yet they seem to say to Farke he is ok and fit to keep playing.
Maybe Archie is a robot and runs on Duracell batteries :)
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The Subhuman wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:34 pm I must have missed a few of those goals ..... I recall one
No wonder the kid has hit a wall :lol:
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AcrossThePondAsh wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:25 pm No wonder the kid has hit a wall :lol:
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Feel we need to cut Archie a bit of slack.

Aside from doing very well basically all season never in his best role.

He must be absolutely exhausted.

Usually even the most talented 17/18 year old are managed to a degree.

Basically never playing 3000 minutes in a season for the club at that age.

Rooney, Mbappe, Messi, even the most highly rated young players didn't.

Not even more recently Bellingham.

Archie will have played over 4000 minutes by the time we finish the league season (then potentially the playoffs).

He's been massively overexposed.
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Not sure what some people are expecting from Archie. He's 18 and showed more often than not what a great player he is going to be.

Relying him on him to be the piece in the jigsaw we have been missing, to dominate the midfield and create chance after chance. Just not going to happen at this stage in his career. Felt it was the wrong descision to plan him in the middle last night, against Boro I get it but not last night, too much on young shoulders.
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Cjay wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:36 pmBossed it
Aye that mythical wall was clearly one brick high.

He was immense tonight, he probably shaded MotM for me, but I could also quickly flip and make an argument for Geo and Rodon. But that kid has one hell of an engine.
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