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Re: Jean-Kévin Augustin-LUFC ordered to pay Leipzig €21million as CAS sides with them.

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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:12 pm I really don't understand that part. How can we be expected to pay for a player and not own rights to that player?
because we voluntarily waived any right to him - we clearly didn't even want him on a free as we could have signed him back for free in the summer

why would you want him here anyway, we would only waste more money on him by paying his wages

if anything we should be happy that he doesn't sue us for the 4 years of missed earnings!
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White Riot wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:33 pm Precisely, but he couldn't, that's why Bielsa had him running laps at Thorp Arch. Rumour has it he still hasn't completed the first lap ;-)

We certainly got our fookin money's worth there didn't we :lol:

You couldn't make it up mate :)

Maybe this is karma for giving Spurs the gift of Jack Clarke :duno:
:) at least it solves the mystery of who ate all the pies
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Cjay wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:38 pm Was estimated at £95mil in total.

Saw that somewhere.

Jose must be absolutely minted from payoffs and wages and sponsorship.

He is 60 in January, don't see why he doesn't retire.

And tbf to Jose though he may have faded somewhat but very successful in his time and currently has Roma 4th in Serie A.
Nice. Think he owns a large part of Portugal too.
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White Riot wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:13 pm Yeah, and yet he has managed some good transfers for us:

Koch
Meslier
Struijk
Kristensen
Roca
Adams
Aaronson
Sinisterra
Raphinha

Decent list that, but how many of them are down to Bielsa and Jesse? And if that's the case why didn't MB veto all the duds we've signed?
I think the signings have improved since the end of last season - and would assume that it's down to Marsch.

And we are not signing any more duds from La Liga.
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Jaydog wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:14 pm :) at least it solves the mystery of who ate all the pies
Him and Mickey Quinn :P
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Jaydog wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:16 pm Nice. Think he owns a large part of Portugal too.
A large part of Portugal is currently relocated in Wolverhampton :)
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:19 pm I think the signings have improved since the end of last season - and would assume that it's down to Marsch.

And we are not signing any more duds from La Liga.
Yeah, if a rumour goes out that we're after another La Liga signing I'll be seriously worried :shock:
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White Riot wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:17 pm Him and Mickey Quinn :P
And Brolin, and Pierre Michel Lasogga.
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:19 pm I think the signings have improved since the end of last season - and would assume that it's down to Marsch.

And we are not signing any more duds from La Liga.
We should still give Orta credit for some of the good signings. He's done brilliantly with players like Raphinha, Strujik, Meslier. Even some of the youngsters like Gelhardt and Summerville will earn us much more than we paid.

It's easy to say good signings were down to the manager. Heard it several times with Bielsa. There was definitely a change in startegy when Bielsa came from scatter gunned to more focused signings. But majority of signings were down to Orta.

When it comes to JKA, Bielsa is probably as much to blame as Orta. We know that he had final say on first team signings. And we know that he said "no" to several players around the same time. Certainly think the board could have handled the legal aspects of the JKA transfer better. Shouldn't they have forseen today's decision, known we'd have to pay up, and handled the situation better?

It's a bad loss to take. But in the grand scheme of things we still seem much better placed in terms of net transfer spend.
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We all knew it was coming. No point chewing the fat on this one. The club stretched it out to the point where in a sense it has become more affordable to pay.

Still a s**t show without a doubt, but hey ho.


If they use it as an excuse for limiting recruitment in the future that will be a whole new level of stupidity.
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On reflection, they should have known they'd have to pay up eventually. What's the worst that could happen? Keep him going into our first premier league season and don't sign Rodrigo?
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White Riot wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:18 pm A large part of Portugal is currently relocated in Wolverhampton :)
Yeah the s**t part 😀
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I would love to see the contract as it seems to be Red Bull couldn't lose.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:42 pm We should still give Orta credit for some of the good signings. He's done brilliantly with players like Raphinha, Strujik, Meslier. Even some of the youngsters like Gelhardt and Summerville will earn us much more than we paid.

It's easy to say good signings were down to the manager. Heard it several times with Bielsa. There was definitely a change in startegy when Bielsa came from scatter gunned to more focused signings. But majority of signings were down to Orta.

When it comes to JKA, Bielsa is probably as much to blame as Orta. We know that he had final say on first team signings. And we know that he said "no" to several players around the same time. Certainly think the board could have handled the legal aspects of the JKA transfer better. Shouldn't they have forseen today's decision, known we'd have to pay up, and handled the situation better?

It's a bad loss to take. But in the grand scheme of things we still seem much better placed in terms of net transfer spend.
All good points.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:42 pm When it comes to JKA, Bielsa is probably as much to blame as Orta. We know that he had final say on first team signings. And we know that he said "no" to several players around the same time. Certainly think the board could have handled the legal aspects of the JKA transfer better.
The Court case was entirely about the contract. If he was a loanee that didn't work out in our promotion season, it would be no different to any loan that didn't work out. The remarkable thing here was the obligation to buy even if the player was useless.
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No surprise to me that this decision has gone against us and, I suspect, no surprise to the club either, we were always on shaky ground. Having an obligation to buy rather than an option to buy in the Contract was stupidity itself.

This is another one that can definitely put at Orta’s door, I don’t rate him, never have never will, how Radrizzani has put up with him all these years I will never know!
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Leeds United plan on appealing the decision apparently.

Can't see why.

Getting embarrassing.

Just pay up.
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Cjay wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:33 pm Leeds United plan on appealing the decision apparently.

Can't see why.

Getting embarrassing.

Just pay up.
Probably just trying to put it off payment as long as possible.
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Phil just addressed the elephant in the room (insert joke)

We await to see whether JKA comes after us for the wages he is owed.

He had agreed a 5 year deal, it was signed and agreed ready to kick in after promotion.

That contract will be worth well in excess of £10mil given he was on £90k at Leipzig.

Possibly even upto £20mil.

We better hope JKA isn't vindictive or short of a few pounds.
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Cjay wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:19 pm Phil just addressed the elephant in the room (insert joke)

We await to see whether JKA comes after us for the wages he is owed.

He had agreed a 5 year deal, it was signed and agreed ready to kick in after promotion.

That contract will be worth well in excess of £10mil given he was on £90k at Leipzig.

Possibly even upto £20mil.

We better hope JKA isn't vindictive or short of a few pounds.
So maybe up to £30m for 50 minutes on a football pitch - quite possibly the worst deal in sporting history, never mind football history....That's about £600,000 per minute JKA played.

There's lots of ordinary people who wont have earned £600,000 in a lifetime of working...
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