What is the point in persevering with Victor Orta?

[Cjay]

Just looked MCB and see he created Atlassian. Blimey, 42-years-old and worth £12.5bn!

Come on Mike, you know football and tech go well.

I live in hope to welcome our Oceania overlords

Sadly expect we will get tight American ones.

[weasel]

Perhaps we could all clobber together for a Motforum takeover? One of yous is bound to be a secret millionaire!

Probably someone who shops at Waitrose and looks down their nose at Aldi shoppers.

[Kennyb41]

Victor Orta believes the mistakes he made during his time at Middlesbrough set him up well to succeed at Leeds United.

Now director of football with Leeds, Orta's first job in England came at Middlesbrough when he was appointed head of European recruitment in January 2016.

Boro were on the charge to the Premier League under Aitor Karanka at that time but Orta was unable to help his fellow Spaniard with enough quality signings to keep Middlesbrough in the top flight. Karanka departed the club in March 2017, with Orta leaving a few months later as Boro were relegated.

But Orta has since taken the more prominent role of director of football at Elland Road where he helped them win promotion to the Premier League, with Marcelo Bielsa's side so far making a good fist of their own battle to stay there.

And reflecting on how his Boro experience helped him learn, Orta told Spanish daily AS: “I was in the mood for an experience in England.

“The season I arrived we [Boro] got promoted to the Premier League, I arrived in January with what little reputation I had.

“I met Karanka, who was the first to teach me the secrets of English football. I soaked up everything.

“The following year we were relegated, but it served me well for this second experience at Leeds.

“I made many mistakes that I have learned from.“

[Jaydog]

Probably someone who shops at Waitrose and looks down their nose at Aldi shoppers.

Please only talk about shopping preferences on General Chat or alternatively the Aldi thread which is obviously cheap & nasty & full of s**t

[Kennyb41]

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... w-13090744

For those wondering about our fantastic scout at Boro.

I'm actually 100% now that Bert got totally fed up with what he was bringing him and expecting him to work with.

And now know why Bert said...."He only wants them if they're better than we already have"

It was Berts way of saying, he's bringing me garbage all the time and you'll have no fcking money left at this rate if he's allowed to carry on.

Orta probably then insisted on finding a manager that could work with Llorente etc to save his skin, we're fcked coz i've a feeling we've been sussed how to beat and i can't see a plan B

[hector]

Please only talk about shopping preferences on General Chat or alternatively the Aldi thread which is obviously cheap & nasty & full of s**t

Sorry you have gone off topic.....

If you could keep your bollocking posts to the general chat thread, we would all appreciate it..

[Jaydog]

Sorry you have gone off topic.....

If you could keep your bollocking posts to the general chat thread, we would all appreciate it..

Sorry. I’m getting help for my problem

[1964white]

Sorry. I’m getting help for my problem

[weasel]

Sorry. I’m getting help for my problem

One step at a time J. It's a long road but keep using the ointment.

[Muppet the Cat]

Probably someone who shops at Waitrose and looks down their nose at Aldi shoppers.

Surely not, Lord Jaydog of Foxchester

[Jaydog]

Surely not, Lord Jaydog of Foxchester

I shall not be drawn in. I’m a changed man.
People should shop wherever they like.
And this is a thread about dear Victor Orta.
He Orta f**k off somewhere else according to some people

[Cjay]

Surely not

[SG90]

Please! And £10m compensation

Throw in Kinnear too. BOGOF

[andrewjohnsmith]

Surely not

Goes to show that those in the know, know much more about what we have than we do. Most on here are slagging off Harrison every week. Newcastle want to splash the cash on him. Llorente gets called up for Spain. No end of suitors for Dan James. Club don't think they need a replacement for Fripo.

And ... a big club might be eyeing up our DOF. A DOF who most fans have written off as a failure. We're an embarrassment as fans (not in terms of passion and support but in terms of our fickleness). We don't back our own at all. And other clubs rate our own more highly than we do.

[Overman]

Goes to show that those in the know, know much more about what we have than we do. Most on here are slagging off Harrison every week. Newcastle want to splash the cash on him. Llorente gets called up for Spain. No end of suitors for Dan James. Club don't think they need a replacement for Fripo.

And ... a big club might be eyeing up our DOF. A DOF who most fans have written off as a failure. We're an embarrassment as fans (not in terms of passion and support but in terms of our fickleness). We don't back our own at all. And other clubs rate our own more highly than we do.

Well not really, they can him with pleasure. Harrison is inconsistent most times and wouldn't be a great loss tbf. Llorente call up, I can hardly see him playing a match. The above argument, doesn't really say much.

[Kennyb41]

Goes to show that those in the know, know much more about what we have than we do. Most on here are slagging off Harrison every week. Newcastle want to splash the cash on him. Llorente gets called up for Spain. No end of suitors for Dan James. Club don't think they need a replacement for Fripo.

And ... a big club might be eyeing up our DOF. A DOF who most fans have written off as a failure. We're an embarrassment as fans (not in terms of passion and support but in terms of our fickleness). We don't back our own at all. And other clubs rate our own more highly than we do.

Ahem, they've put a Yank in charge at Chelsea, which is akin to us putting football dumb Italian at the helm.

None of them know a damn thing about football, our clown will fit right in there, please let's keep our mouths closed, get on our knees, and pray he fcks off asap, and then go and get BHA's scout.

[VinnysTattoo]

I always find it fascinating that people in Orta’s position throughout industry always seem to find another well paid gig after seemingly doing “ok” at their last post.

I have been in a couple of companies when a new high end executive comes in and both turned out to be hopeless.

Our own Peter Ridsdale never had much trouble getting jobs and look at his start point after the sh.t storm he left us in.

Regardless on what Boro fans and a lot of us think, Orta will get another high profile position. It’s the way of high end posts throughout industry/sport

[Cjay]

Goes to show that those in the know, know much more about what we have than we do. Most on here are slagging off Harrison every week. Newcastle want to splash the cash on him. Llorente gets called up for Spain. No end of suitors for Dan James. Club don't think they need a replacement for Fripo.

And ... a big club might be eyeing up our DOF. A DOF who most fans have written off as a failure. We're an embarrassment as fans (not in terms of passion and support but in terms of our fickleness). We don't back our own at all. And other clubs rate our own more highly than we do.

Football is a bit of an old boys club.

People can do terrible jobs for decades and keep getting jobs.

Just got to be able to talk with pashun and sound Knowledge.

Orta is a pashun merchant whose been around football for decades. He will impress novices like Radz or the new Chelsea owner that way.

However would Chelsea put up with him trying to fight fans? Arguing with them in the street? I doubt it.

He is unprofessional as even Kinnear has said, our board laugh it off, can't see the super wealthy Chelsea lot doing the same.

That's even before you delve into his actual record.

Best spell was at Sevilla, he did well there but he wasn't in charge and had a far more qualified man overseeing his work.

He then went to Zenit in Russia for 1 season and did nothing of note.

Then went to Elche in Spain for 1 season and again nothing of note.

He then went to Boro where he often gets credit for there promotion
But actually he arrived in December by which point Boro were already top of the league.

So he played a minimal part in that also.

He left just 18months later by which point they had been relegated and his work had been publicly criticised by the owner with none of his signings making a meaningful impact at all.

Then we have his spell, some good some bad, but I don't think anyone would say he has been a roaring success with many of his big money signings like Llorente, Koch and Rodrigo still not justifying there fees.

Overpaying on people like Costa and James.

Almost spending £20mil on Cuisance whose career has plummeted.

The JKA debacle. These things wouldn't be tolerated at Chelsea.

He has done good to, Meslier, Raph, Bamford, Struijk, Gelhardt etc, Bielsa as well.

Clearly played a part in the improvement we have seen largely.

But he also appointed Hecky only to sack him 6 months later and wasted tens of millions of pounds on dozens of u21s who flopped abd dozens of 1st teamers to.

Not awful but definitely not great either and don't think Chelsea would put up with his success rate or his dramas.

[SG90]

Orta gets far too much praise for Bielsa. He was attracted to Leeds because of our history and fan base, and the chance to be the one who took us back up. Orta couldn't have hired him for Boro for example.

He "specialises" in signing overpriced Spanish players on big wages , he did the same at Boro too. A lot of the signings he's praised for, were recommended by others.

Meslier - Abad
Adams - Marsch
Sinisterra - Ruiz
Aaronson - 49ers

It's most likely Gaby Ruiz also spotted Kvaratskhelia and Gvardiol.

Got lucky with Raphinha as Rennes needed the money desperately. Orta wanted Cuisance for £20m instead.

Even the u23 recruitment is vastly overrated too. Only Struijk has broken through, and that's because of injuries. He'll be benched when Cooper and Firpo are fit. We've replaced our own homegrown development for hoarding other clubs' youth and then let them go at a huge loss.

Orta has made 84 signings and only 3 made a profit, Raphinha, Davis and Ekuban. Cellino and Salerno better that.

Jury's out I'm afraid, no spin or excuses can defend him.

Anyone who thinks we'd struggle without him are deluded!

[Irish Ian]

Would Leeds be Premier League without Radz and Orta?

Seeing we had over a decade of calamity I suggest not.

People only think Orta presides over transfers which is delusional.

The man was being realistic in his appraisal but lets not realism get in the way of a good gurn.