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Kennyb41 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 3:23 pm If this 'debt burden' is true, it's totally understandable what DF and the 49ers are up against : If we have to rob Peter to pay Paul, then so be it, getting big money anyway we can and starting again, if a deal with Palace came off with Jimmy going the other way, it would make total sense to me :

However, the West Yorkshire outfit have seen much more activity occur in the opposite direction. In an attempt to ease a £190 million debt, the club have offloaded the likes of Gray, Luis Sinisterra and Glen Kamara for massive fees, while Diego Llorente, Charlie Cresswell and Marc Roca have also departed from Elland Road.

Nevertheless, these won’t be the only players that leave the club this summer. There is an abundance of interest in Summerville from teams in the Premier League and abroad, including Chelsea and Ligue 1 side Rennes, who completed the signing of Kamara earlier this week.

Furthermore, Gnonto is also wanted by sides in the top-flight. Sean Dyche’s Everton have reportedly re-ignited their interest in the Italian forward and face competition from clubs like Lazio in Serie A who are also keeping tabs on his situation.

With losing both Summerville and Gnonto being a real possibility, Leeds United have started compiling a list of potential replacements to bolster Daniel Farke’s attacking department. The Daily Mail revealed on Friday that the Whites have turned their attention towards Crystal Palace‘s rising star Jesurun Rak-Sakyi, who scored an incredible goal against his former loan club Charlton Athletic yesterday afternoon.

The 21-year-old has also piqued the interest of several other teams in the Championship. Journalist Alan Nixon revealed earlier this month that Blackburn Rovers, Queens Park Rangers and Luton Town are in the running for the player who boasts a market value of £1.7 million, as per Transfermarkt.

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In the same report, The Daily Mail stated that Crystal Palace recently rejected a loan-to-buy offer from newly-promoted Premier League side Southampton for Rak-Sakyi, meaning the Eagles are not willing to allow him to leave permanently this summer.

This may suit Leeds United given the financial complications behind the scenes. Rak-Sakyi’s only experience in the EFL came at The Valley two seasons ago where he scored 15 goals and recorded eight assists in 43 appearances in League One. Perhaps the Englishman is the perfect player to replace someone like Summerville who was responsible for a large chunk of Leeds’ goals in the previous campaign.
Where are the money reports coming from?

A month or so ago, Kieran Maguire (the most respected football financial analyst) was saying Leeds debys aren't really anything to worry about.
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Sean_Nile wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:24 am IMG_20240720_122244.jpg
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Disagree on Gnonto who is a left winger, right is at best secondary.

Don't think Gelhardt is a 10 type either, closer to Piroe in a second striker type role.

Is a difference between playing off a main striker and being a 10.

But rest seem accurate

So left back
Right centre back
Box to box midfield type
And both wings if as expected Gnonto and Summerville leave.

Would all seem areas light or will be light.

Aaronson and Rutter can probably play left, not sure they'd be much good on the right.

Aaronson also maybe box to box but not sure I'd fancy him in a midfield battle

Then the old 10 talk as I'd still like another.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:05 pm Where are the money reports coming from?

A month or so ago, Kieran Maguire (the most respected football financial analyst) was saying Leeds debys aren't really anything to worry about.
It's clickbait for you Andrew, they pluck figures and 'facts' from the sky, and guess what for ?....Clicks.
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Cjay wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:00 pm Stolen from elsewhere

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Disagree on Gnonto who is a left winger, right is at best secondary.

Don't think Gelhardt is a 10 type either, closer to Piroe in a second striker type role.

Is a difference between playing off a main striker and being a 10.

But rest seem accurate

So left back
Right centre back
Box to box midfield type
And both wings if as expected Gnonto and Summerville leave.

Would all seem areas light or will be light.

Aaronson and Rutter can probably play left, not sure they'd be much good on the right.

Aaronson also maybe box to box but not sure I'd fancy him in a midfield battle

Then the old 10 talk as I'd still like another.
I actually think that is Joffy's best role for us. Not as a starter. I don't see him having an impact there as a starter. But I do see him being effective there late in games when we need a goal. He does seem to have that little chaos factor about him when he puts his head down and makes the runs from midfield.

So, I do see Joffy as 10. But as an impact sub rather than as a starter.
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:43 pm It's clickbait for you Andrew, they pluck figures and 'facts' from the sky, and guess what for ?....Clicks.
It's actually the confirmed transfer debt from our last accounts.

£70mil of which needed to be paid by last month the other £120mil after.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:46 pm I actually think that is Joffy's best role for us. Not as a starter. I don't see him having an impact there as a starter. But I do see him being effective there late in games when we need a goal. He does seem to have that little chaos factor about him when he puts his head down and makes the runs from midfield.

So, I do see Joffy as 10. But as an impact sub rather than as a starter.
I think he may have an impact potential.

But he's not a 10.

A classic 10.

A second striker to me is more about hold up play, physical attributes, dropping to receive the ball and making runs.

A 10 is more technical if that makes sense? They drift much more and use passing and intelligence.

I see Gelhardt as the former.
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Cjay wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:49 pm It's actually the confirmed transfer debt from our last accounts.

£70mil of which needed to be paid by last month the other £120mil after.
And yet you'd still sooner see DF sacked, and another gamble brought into all this huh ?

Give DF some respect for getting us into the position he has, in such a short space of time, just missing a first shot at promotion by a whisker, and now in the middle of getting us on the right road again.

He is proper hands on, it isn't just about picking the team., there is a helluva lot of background work going on as well, and he ain't no fckin thick clown, gambling with Panini stickers.
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:58 pm And yet you'd still sooner see DF sacked, and another gamble brought into all this huh ?

Give DF some respect for getting us into the position he has, in such a short space of time, just missing a first shot at promotion by a whisker, and now in the middle of getting us on the right road again.

He is proper hands on, it isn't just about picking the team., there is a helluva lot of background work going on as well, and he ain't no fckin thick clown, gambling with Panini stickers.
What has Daniel Farke got to do with that? :duno:

How have we got from transfer debt to Farke.
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mentalcase wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:15 pm This is so true , something that a few alluded to last season, especially SH who was banging his drum.
He certainly has a lot of defensive frailties, it's who will cover when things go tits up, last night it was young Debayo constantly shouting for him to come back into position, that was evident under the brilliant tuition of Joe Rodon.
It's when we are against much tougher opposition thats the worry.
Great going forward but not so great as a defender.
Less defensive frailties than you think, he can be beaten for pace, and he's not a pure tackler but he times interceptions and blocks beautifully... What he is good at defensively is in the box positioning and anticipation and he's bailed us out a number of times.

He's always been a wing back, never a full back, so Farke just playing him in his natural position, as did previous managers. Firpo's issue was getting a run in the team, and injuries haven't helped.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:46 pm I actually think that is Joffy's best role for us. Not as a starter. I don't see him having an impact there as a starter. But I do see him being effective there late in games when we need a goal. He does seem to have that little chaos factor about him when he puts his head down and makes the runs from midfield.

So, I do see Joffy as 10. But as an impact sub rather than as a starter.
I'd ignore that, anyone who doesn't think Aaronson can play right is likely wrong elsewhere
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The Subhuman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:59 pm I'd ignore that, anyone who doesn't think Aaronson can play right is likely wrong elsewhere
Aaronson has never played as a right winger.

In that graphic wide right is a winger.

In Red Bull football or if Farke continues that narrow nonsense then maybe he could.

But a right winger? Not imo, his end product is far too erratic.
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The Subhuman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:53 pm Less defensive frailties than you think, he can be beaten for pace, and he's not a pure tackler but he times interceptions and blocks beautifully... What he is good at defensively is in the box positioning and anticipation and he's bailed us out a number of times.

He's always been a wing back, never a full back, so Farke just playing him in his natural position, as did previous managers. Firpo's issue was getting a run in the team, and injuries haven't helped.
“ Less defensive frailties “ ? He hasn’t a Scooby about defending or positioning just stands with his hands behind his back & his leg out if he’s even close to where he should be. I admire your constant defence and praise of Firpo but I just don’t think he can defend at all. You keep on about him being a wingback and not a fullback but a wingback still has to know how to defend and he doesn’t. Saying that I hope we hold onto him as he is far better offensively than defensively and has shown he can do a job in the Championship as long as someone covers for him when he goes walkabout. He is arguably our best crosser of the ball and I’d like to see him given more free kicks and corners as our usual takers have been shocking. If we achieve promotion, 🙏🏻 , he will need to be sold though as he will be found wanting big time in the Premiership
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CUSSIE01 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:53 pm “ Less defensive frailties “ ? He hasn’t a Scooby about defending or positioning just stands with his hands behind his back & his leg out if he’s even close to where he should be. I admire your constant defence and praise of Firpo but I just don’t think he can defend at all. You keep on about him being a wingback and not a fullback but a wingback still has to know how to defend and he doesn’t. Saying that I hope we hold onto him as he is far better offensively than defensively and has shown he can do a job in the Championship as long as someone covers for him when he goes walkabout. He is arguably our best crosser of the ball and I’d like to see him given more free kicks and corners as our usual takers have been shocking. If we achieve promotion, 🙏🏻 , he will need to be sold though as he will be found wanting big time in the Premiership
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Cjay wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:10 pm What has Daniel Farke got to do with that? :duno:

How have we got from transfer debt to Farke.
No i thought you wouldn't, not even the slightest positive huh, i can't be doin with your type :rant:

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The Subhuman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:53 pm Less defensive frailties than you think, he can be beaten for pace, and he's not a pure tackler but he times interceptions and blocks beautifully... What he is good at defensively is in the box positioning and anticipation and he's bailed us out a number of times.

He's always been a wing back, never a full back, so Farke just playing him in his natural position, as did previous managers. Firpo's issue was getting a run in the team, and injuries haven't helped.
I've gotta admire your attempts to play Devils advocate, but if you honestly believe Firpo is a 'beautiful timer of the tackle' you simply have to give up on the game chap.

He's a walking booking, every game.
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The Subhuman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:53 pm Less defensive frailties than you think, he can be beaten for pace, and he's not a pure tackler but he times interceptions and blocks beautifully... What he is good at defensively is in the box positioning and anticipation and he's bailed us out a number of times.

He's always been a wing back, never a full back, so Farke just playing him in his natural position, as did previous managers. Firpo's issue was getting a run in the team, and injuries haven't helped.
I think i'm better off resorting back to letting my little emojis do the talking :

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CUSSIE01 wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:53 pm “ Less defensive frailties “ ? He hasn’t a Scooby about defending or positioning just stands with his hands behind his back & his leg out if he’s even close to where he should be. I admire your constant defence and praise of Firpo but I just don’t think he can defend at all. You keep on about him being a wingback and not a fullback but a wingback still has to know how to defend and he doesn’t. Saying that I hope we hold onto him as he is far better offensively than defensively and has shown he can do a job in the Championship as long as someone covers for him when he goes walkabout. He is arguably our best crosser of the ball and I’d like to see him given more free kicks and corners as our usual takers have been shocking. If we achieve promotion, 🙏🏻 , he will need to be sold though as he will be found wanting big time in the Premiership
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For my two pennyworth, Firpo is no defender by any stretch. He can't tackle, has no idea how to mark an opponent, has no positional sense and is an absolute nightmare as he wanders all over the pitch like a schoolboy chasing the ball especially constantly cutting across the back line when opponents attack leaving the left back area wide open with an open invitation. Whatever structure that there is along the back line goes out of the window and panic reigns. He is so hapless that he inevitably picks up bookings and add to that he's had a fair amount of time injured.

His saving grace, to a point, is the style adopted last season where we attacked more often than not and so Firpo, when he was available seemed to have a licence to get forward and not be too bothered about defending - whether that was by accident or design is open to debate - but it did create chaos in the opponents and you can't dismiss his assists. Also, Summerville seemed to put in good shifts in helping cover and defend more and more as the season wore on.

However, if you closely study our play, you should not be blinded about how strong defensively we were last season. Actually, we were fragile whenever attacked and conceded often which is no surprise considering the sparse cover in both full back positions for a variety of reasons throughout last season. Thank Goodness for the emergence of Archie Gray and the decision to take on Sam Byram............

At least, if Firpo is selected to play we will know exactly what we are going to get
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:30 am No i thought you wouldn't, not even the slightest positive huh, go an get fcked, i can't be doin with your type.

No matter what this fcker does, you want him sacked, and some fcking freak Android put in place that presses buttons and reads data.

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Your analysis of the game and players live is trash imo, enjoy your day.

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