Daniel Farke

[Orange Box]

As we age, your legs & body doesn't do what your brain is telling you!

Mine do. I tell them to lay down …. et voila!

[Cjay]

Without causing an argument.

At what point is Farke judged purely on results (which haven't been good enough) and his tactical choices (which also at times leave a lot to be desired)?

I get lots of turmoil in the summer (we weren't alone in that though).

And he did handle that well and he speaks with honesty and at times we have played some very nice stuff.

But 3 wins from 9 with some very odd tactical choices is poor (worse than Thomas Christensen never mind Bielsa).

On paper we should be top 2.

Results don't change today then we are 12 points from the top whilst Leicester who had their fair share of turmoil this summer thrive under a novice.

I expected better from Farke, but then having read about him maybe I didn't.

Anyway (not looking for an argument) but at what point is he judged purely on the here and now?

Because judged on that it's poor.

Russell Martin was under pressure at Southampton for his poor start, we are on the same points.

[Kennyb41]

From what I have learned about DF he isnt afraid to speak to players who he feels need readjustment. I wonder in the Rodon case that perhaps DF warned him at HT about the danger he was in and was then annoyed he was ignored, or more likely in my mind was unhappy with Rodons attitude after the game.?

Make no mistake if it wasnt for them hitting the post when they ripped us open in the last minute we would have left with nothing. Was that playing on DFs mind? How close we came?

Tell you what though, if we had have lost then I dont think the fanbase would forget Rodons mistake in short order.

I agree, he seems to stand by his principles, that's why yesterday when there was no Rodon on the team sheet i commented about there being perhaps a slight injury concern, i'm now thinking it was intentional and a lesson to him.

I want to see team selection for the QPR game to see if it's more than that and is an issue.

I don't think (at least i hope) DF is stupid enough to not see there were problems v Watford with PS on the right, and i now think he thought he'd be ok again against Soton, he wasn't, so let's see the response on Weds night.

Could be a case of biting your nose off to spite your face, and i hope there's no tension now between player and manager.

[Kennyb41]

Without causing an argument.

At what point is Farke judged purely on results (which haven't been good enough) and his tactical choices (which also at times leave a lot to be desired)?

I get lots of turmoil in the summer (we weren't alone in that though).

And he did handle that well and he speaks with honesty and at times we have played some very nice stuff.

But 3 wins from 9 with some very odd tactical choices is poor (worse than Thomas Christensen never mind Bielsa).

On paper we should be top 2.

Results don't change today then we are 12 points from the top whilst Leicester who had their fair share of turmoil this summer thrive under a novice.

I expected better from Farke, but then having read about him maybe I didn't.

Anyway (not looking for an argument) but at what point is he judged purely on the here and now?

Because judged on that it's poor.

If anybody on here goes from one extreme to the other it's yourself.

Imo bar yesterday every problem he's faced has been handled with aplomb, and there are good reasons for early season results.

Yesterday was different for the first time, there's a good few decisions yesterday which need addressing and i can't be arsed to go into them all, i want to see his and our reaction on the pitch come QPR and Bristol City, there is no need atm to have a crystal ball out because of 'that' yesterday.

Rodon should come back.
Ayling should start.
I'm not bothered Cooper or Pascal, but feel Pascal.
Jimmy needs a good talking to.
James needs switching or to come on from the bench imv.
He needs to address all of the 4-2-3-1, especially the 2-3 part.

There were other issues as well, but like i said i can't be arsed and will wait

[Cjay]

If anybody on here goes from one extreme to the other it's yourself.

Imo bar yesterday every problem he's faced has been handled with aplomb, and there are good reasons for early season results.

Yesterday was different for the first time, there's a good few decisions yesterday which need addressing and i can't be arsed to go into them all, i want to see his and our reaction on the pitch come QPR and Bristol City, there is no need atm to have a crystal ball out because of 'that' yesterday.

Rodon should come back.
Ayling should start.
I'm not bothered Cooper or Pascal, but feel Pascal.
Jimmy needs a good talking to.
James needs switching or to come on from the bench imv.
He needs to address all of the 4-2-3-1, especially the 2-3 part.

There were other issues as well, but like i said i can't be arsed and will wait

I think he has had a lot of leeway.

Talk yesterday was how awful a job Russell Martin had done, Southampton fans wanted him sacked, well we are on the same points now.

Failing to beat Sheffield Wednesday (only team who hasnt).

If they say you judge after 10 games to hit the ppg to get automatic at that mark we need to win both our next 2 games.

We will see.

But tactically Farke doesn't convince me, his choices at times are odd and he has a very strange relationship with substitutions.

[Kennyb41]

I think he has had a lot of leeway.

Talk yesterday was how awful a job Russell Martin had done, Southampton fans wanted him sacked, well we are on the same points now.

Failing to beat Sheffield Wednesday (only team who hasnt).

If they say you judge after 10 games to hit the ppg to get automatic at that mark we need to win both our next 2 games.

We will see.

But tactically Farke doesn't convince me, his choices at times are odd and he has a very strange relationship with substitutions.

Like you said, you don't want an argument.

QPR and Bristol City are next.

[lufc1304]

For me, we are a work in progress and results and performances like yesterday are gonna happen. We may be top 2 on paper (I'm not totally convinced), but paper does not take into consideration the horrendous mess this club was in following relegation. And I don't mean the standard aftermath of relegation, which Leicester and Southampton (supposedly our yardsticks) also faced, but the turmoil in the boardroom, the ludicrous loans issue, players downing tools, threatening legal action, all that s**t. Farke came in late and, up to this point, has handled everything that has been thrown at him, when no-one would have blamed him for saying "f**k this, I'm off". We started the season behind the curve and whilst we haven't been brilliant, I've certainly seen enough to believe we have the right man at the helm. Everybody gets calls wrong, be it starting 11 or subs, how they learn from those mistakes is key. And I suspect Farke will be his own harshest critic. It's a long hard season in the toughest league in Europe, nothing is decided after 9 or 10 games.

Maybe I have the benefit of being a fan for 45 years, most of which have been pretty barren but, if you want instant gratification in football, then you picked the wrong horse in Leeds Utd! If, however, we (board, manager, players and fans) keep the faith, then we will be alright. Mightn't be this season, and I'm fine with that, but imo we are on the right track. This season always felt like it was going to be a transitional one with a reset absolutely necessary and that may well impact on our promotion prospects. But I'd rather we get things right from top down than go back up woefully ill-equipped, as a club, to cope in the Prem as was the case last time.

[GreennWhite]

A team on paper doesn't win you the league, or guarantee you top 2, dont know how anyone can think that's true. This bad result is an ideal time for the Farke doubters/haters to just grab a stick to beat him with, they have been waiting for the likes of this result since the season started.
No one can argue it was a poor result and the poorest performance this season, but that was down to so many players having an of day, even Pep would have struggled to get anything from that team performance. I'm not saying Farke was totally faultless, for me he should have played Rodon but i doubt even Rodon would have made any difference when all around him played the way they did. You can get by if 2 or 3 players have an off day, when 8 or 9 of them have an off day your stuffed, no matter what manager is in charge.
We need a positive reaction on Wednesday night, Farke's team selection is going to be interesting.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Rodon was yellow carded for a non-foul given from an inept referee, yes his second yellow card was reckless, but it's that justification for more punishment from Farke?

"Sorry Joe, you made one poor challenge, so you are dropped for today's game, even it means we sacrifice points"

I disagreed with Farke calling him out after the second yellow

My read is that he made the easy choice. We'd debated all week over whether he'd send Cooper to the bench with Rodon coming back. I think he was afraid to do that. The easier choice was to say he left Rodon out so he could think about his "bad decisions" a little longer.

That's my read. But I completely disagree with it. Rodon and Strujik have been terrific together.

[Cjay]

Found this interesting, clearly something Southampton haven't done before apparently but it worked perfectly vs our setup.

Nothing overly complicated but Farke didn't seem to know what to do.

Hopefully he finds a solution because it made us look very ordinary.

And also raises the Piroe dilemma again, if you are going to play him as a 10 you must dominate the ball because getting passed around in midfield could be quite easy especially if the press is half-hearted.

[Cjay]

Farke's here - key factors in selection?
To be successful, that's they key factor. Want to win the game. Take everything into account. Performances in the last games, Saturday too, training, also once you have a busy schedule, three games in seven days, physical data on recovery, who is fresh and ready to go. Individual experience of a coach is important and their view on the players.

Good choice to have a successful squad on the pitch.


Byram
We will see. This turnaround is easier than the last. Three days and 24 hours more than last time. Early kick-off on Saturday. Much easier than last turnaround. More concerned about the next turnaround Weds then Sat



Thoughts on the reaction to Saturday?
I will never get used to losing games. Next day I don't want to get up or speak about football. I will still want to kill someone the next day.

Even after our good run, it was still painful. I want my squad to feel that disappointment. No replacement for the winning feeling. All our fans and our club feel the same pain. In analysing the game, once you have seltp, you can calm down and stay objective. Players are not robots.

It's the Championship. After several weeks of good results and performances, to would have been nice to end September without conceding. Tough to accept, but we were away from our best performance, all the players.

Feelings more intense here?
Np. On the training pitch or with my family I want to win. This club is emotional. It's great. Why we love football. Have to have this feeling.

Don't want to take this away. What we are about as a club. After 24 hours of feeling sorry for ourselves we are refocused and ready

Rodon and Anthony
Really happy with both because it's never easy to come into a new group. Hard for Jaidon to come in late. Settled in now and really well. Played the first games without being prepared. Done fantastically well. Few clean sheets with Joe.

More to come from Rodon. The red card, he has to handle the own goal at Ipswich. He can improve. I am totally convinced of his potential as a player, his quality as a player. THis is why I was so greedy to bring him in because he makes us better as a group.

Pleased with Jaidon. Looked sharp. Good goal. Important to have depth and options.


Colback back for QPR
Good player. They have a better squad than their position shows. Difficult start. Not in the best position, but their squad is really good. Pretty experienced players and coaches. Fantastic with his former clubs. Will be good in the long term. Not in the best position, but last three away games they have only conceded once.

We will have to be patient and relentless to get chances. What is crucial is being effective when we can finish. Solid side that does not allow many chances.

Wednesday game help as prep?
Yes, a little because in the shape and setup I would say ti's quite similar. Details are different. QPR more of a threat on the counter. Sheffield did not get one chance. I expect we need to be aware of counters. Good options up front. Technical players in midfield. We will need to be more aware.

Five men at the back, we should use the Sheffield game to speak about things.


Balance between urgency and patience to score first?
It's the key to stay balanced and prepare our offensive actions. Produce one loss after another because you are too greedy you get frustrated and concede counters. Make them shift and work and run. Take our chance in the second half last time at ER. Opened them up after investing so much in the first 60. Scored three late on. Would like to lead earlier and make our life more simple. Need our fans to be patient and help us. Exhaust the opponent

Focused on the details in such a small gap?
Different to Southampton because they had four straight losses before Saturday. We were flying before Saturday. One day not at your best, but draw a line under it pretty quick. More the other way around. You can't wait to get back on the pitch and show a good reaction. Players sere self-critical after Saturday.


Settled GK and CBs - old thinking or valid?
I do not believe in any 11 changes. You need a core group. We talk too much about rotation and splitting the workload. No better feeling as a player than playing every game. No better feeling than being in games. Healthy for completion in the squad to keep players sharp and fresh if you have options. One, two or three changes is sometimes healthy.

Sometimes older players, or players with no pre-season like Rodon or injury record like Byram, needs to be taken into account


Where does Cooper sit in his ability to play regularly?
Unbelievably important. Cub captain, he did not win this in the lottery. f I speak about a player and human being who loves this club, he has white blood in his veins. First goal he could have done better, but three or four mistakes eld to this goal. His performances so far, brilliant pre-season. On the pitch in pre-season, we did not concede one goal. Sacrificed his body to score a big goal against Cardiff. Inured and we played without him. Worked hard on rehab and he came into the second last game after being out for so long and helped us keep a clean sheet.

Does not mean he will play every minute, but he will be a key player for us.


Dallas
Setback in training, but he will return to team training after rehab. A little while for him, as we always said.

[The Subhuman]

Cooper, kinda did win the captaincy in the lottery ...

[Cjay]

Cooper, kinda did win the captaincy in the lottery ...

Wasn't it a player vote?

Which is a rather ludicrous way to pick a Captain when you think about it.

[Jaydog]

Likes reminding Rodon of his errors

[1964white]

Likes reminding Rodon of his errors

Yes, those comments are worrying & concerning for me.

A bit contradictory after his comments about not embarrassing his players.

[1964white]

Farke needs to sort out the captaincy if it's affecting team selection. Rodon & Ampadu are automatic imo. You can't say the same about Ayling or Coops due to the fact they can't play 3 times a week & their age, energy/fitness levels

[Jaydog]

Yes, those comments are worrying & concerning for me.

A bit contradictory after his comments about not embarrassing his players.

Maybe taken out of context because I don’t know the exact question he was asked but it’s getting boring tbh. OG was unlucky as was his sending off. Just let it go DF.

[1964white]

Maybe taken out of context because I don’t know the exact question he was asked but it’s getting boring tbh. OG was unlucky as was his sending off. Just let it go DF.

If he doesn't let it go, this could become another scenario similar to Pontus & Pablo getting on the wrong side of Bielsa & we didn't see much of Hernandez after that & Jansson was totally bombed out, two quality players gone!

I'd be p*ssed off if I was Joe, on the hand, Coops must think all his Christmas's have come at once.

We'll know come 6.45pm tomorrow evening .

[lufc1304]

I don't think there needs to be a focus on the Rodon comment. Farke has said himself that he will praise but not let players get ahead of themselves. Feels like a non-issue to me.

[GreennWhite]

I would say he is under a little bit of pressure to get it right in the next game, his team selection will be very interesting. A lot of fans will be holding their breath until its announced, lol
I hope he does get things back on track, as i think he will prove to a good manager for us.