But he's not gonna come up against another side that just surrenders midfield before kick off.
Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
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Klich
Dallas
Ayling *
Struijk *
Koch *
Roberts
* for the reasons stated originally
Klich
Dallas
Ayling *
Struijk *
Koch *
Roberts
* for the reasons stated originally
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Ayling (just for the goal)
Meslier (I'm struggling)
Can't include anyone else
Meslier (I'm struggling)
Can't include anyone else
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Ayling - 26
Klich - 18
Meslier - 14
Dallas - 10
Koch - 7
Roberts - 7
Cooper - 3
Struijk - 3
Harrison - 1
Firpo - 1
Klich - 18
Meslier - 14
Dallas - 10
Koch - 7
Roberts - 7
Cooper - 3
Struijk - 3
Harrison - 1
Firpo - 1
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
This vote should.be scrapped after a 5 1 loss. Crap all around I'm afraid apart from one moment of brilliance from luke
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Ayling (for his wonder strike)
Klich
Meslier
Dallas
Struggle after those four, but
Struijk
Koch
Klich
Meslier
Dallas
Struggle after those four, but
Struijk
Koch
Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Meslier
Klich
Dallas
Ayling
Cooper
Klich
Dallas
Ayling
Cooper
Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Ayling
Klich
Meslier
Dallas
Sorry I can only vote for four today
Klich
Meslier
Dallas
Sorry I can only vote for four today
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Ayling - 38
Klich - 30
Meslier - 25
Dallas - 17
Koch - 8
Roberts - 7
Cooper - 4
Struijk - 5
Harrison - 1
Firpo - 1
Klich - 30
Meslier - 25
Dallas - 17
Koch - 8
Roberts - 7
Cooper - 4
Struijk - 5
Harrison - 1
Firpo - 1
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Sorry but Pogba gave Ayling the absolute run around, as a defensive performance he was s**t.
How can he get motm?
A consolation goal maybe but he was crap at his actual job.
Funny how certain players have a favourable bias.
How can he get motm?
A consolation goal maybe but he was crap at his actual job.
Funny how certain players have a favourable bias.
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Who deserved any better Cjay ?
I would have given MOTM to Klich, but because of his goal gave it to Bill
Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Nobody probably Cat just think that its a bit odd to give the motm award to a players whose man was given rave reviews for his performance.Muppet the Cat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:46 pm Who deserved any better Cjay ?
I would have given MOTM to Klich, but because of his goal gave it to Bill
Ayling is a defender who didnt defend at all well.
Personally id give it to nobody, i dont think anyone deserves ot after losing 5-1?
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I do agree - but best of a bad bunch (on the day)Cjay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:53 pm Nobody probably Cat just think that its a bit odd to give the motm award to a players whose man was given rave reviews for his performance.
Ayling is a defender who didnt defend at all well.
Personally id give it to nobody, i dont think anyone deserves ot after losing 5-1?
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We can't cherry pick which games we award a MOTM to. Might as well get rid if we did. You learn more when you lose than when you win and that wasn't 11 players playing pure s**t whatever you may think there were degrees.Cjay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:53 pm Nobody probably Cat just think that its a bit odd to give the motm award to a players whose man was given rave reviews for his performance.
Ayling is a defender who didnt defend at all well.
Personally id give it to nobody, i dont think anyone deserves ot after losing 5-1?
I do agree the goalscorer shouldn't garner most votes just because he scores, he needs to have a good game overall. But Bamford benefits from the former a lot. BTW Ayling is a wing back which means half is job is defence and half is getting forward to support and overlap and he did ok going forward today IMO
Todays only real problem was how we lined up in central defence. Struijk looked lost trying to work opposite to normal. Cooper didn't get much pre season and was off the pace. We don't lose 5-1 if we had Koch and Struijk as defenders. Not sure who plays DMF if Kalvin is injured though ...maybe Dallas. We do still lose but we're away to, for me, a top 3 team. I didn't see pre game anyway we'd come away with points...
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Do I take Dallas' assist and Ayling's goal off them as we lost 5-1? For our stats ..
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I think this season we certainly needed to start a bit more level headed than we did last season. There was no Ill feeling after the Liverpool 4-3 defeat because we matched everything they did and lost of arguable decisions. My frustration today is the Kalvin Phillips conundrum, that position is so specialised and he is so finely tuned to work efficiently in that system that no other player can sit in there and do the same job and it’s not just him being replaced being the only issue, more often than not the whole 11 is then worked around into positions they can play but at a weaker standard, And this isn’t me slating the players, just highlighting the absolute obvious which seems to evade Bielsa but not the fans. Another frustration is Rodrigo, are we expecting too much from the price tag? 30m is pocket change to many clubs but to us that’s huge, should be the best player by far, and yet it isn’t clicking, and hasn’t properly clicked in his time at Leeds apart from a couple of very good moments here and there, but I don’t believe this version of Bielsa suits him at all. The difference between the system that played to Roofe’s strengths isn’t the same as the one now playing to Bamfords, but the Bamford system I find hinders us against the big guns. How many times do we need to see Luke Ayling clip a ball into a lone Bamford with a player like Harry Maguire behind him on his shoulders? Not only does the ball have to be pin point but then Bamford needs to take it down and carry on play with a 6’4 lad breathing down his neck, simply isn’t going to happen, and that’s why we lose so much possession. I’d love to see us buy a player with that edge in the middle of the park, like what Pablo used to be in the championship for us, a cut above, and then I think Bamford really would thrive playing off the last man instead of trying to take down hopeless balls. I don’t think it’s time to panic at all but the fact that even now if we get sucked in, its a shorter season than the championship and if we did end up down, All our big guns are gone, alone with Bielsa and that’s why the panic sets in.
Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Great post.SMJ1993LUFC wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:17 pm I think this season we certainly needed to start a bit more level headed than we did last season. There was no Ill feeling after the Liverpool 4-3 defeat because we matched everything they did and lost of arguable decisions. My frustration today is the Kalvin Phillips conundrum, that position is so specialised and he is so finely tuned to work efficiently in that system that no other player can sit in there and do the same job and it’s not just him being replaced being the only issue, more often than not the whole 11 is then worked around into positions they can play but at a weaker standard, And this isn’t me slating the players, just highlighting the absolute obvious which seems to evade Bielsa but not the fans. Another frustration is Rodrigo, are we expecting too much from the price tag? 30m is pocket change to many clubs but to us that’s huge, should be the best player by far, and yet it isn’t clicking, and hasn’t properly clicked in his time at Leeds apart from a couple of very good moments here and there, but I don’t believe this version of Bielsa suits him at all. The difference between the system that played to Roofe’s strengths isn’t the same as the one now playing to Bamfords, but the Bamford system I find hinders us against the big guns. How many times do we need to see Luke Ayling clip a ball into a lone Bamford with a player like Harry Maguire behind him on his shoulders? Not only does the ball have to be pin point but then Bamford needs to take it down and carry on play with a 6’4 lad breathing down his neck, simply isn’t going to happen, and that’s why we lose so much possession. I’d love to see us buy a player with that edge in the middle of the park, like what Pablo used to be in the championship for us, a cut above, and then I think Bamford really would thrive playing off the last man instead of trying to take down hopeless balls. I don’t think it’s time to panic at all but the fact that even now if we get sucked in, its a shorter season than the championship and if we did end up down, All our big guns are gone, alone with Bielsa and that’s why the panic sets in.
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Their were degrees of s**t as you say but i think it would be overly kind to suggest anyone was good enough to be motm, picking a best of the rest is hard enough but a motm, not for me i think that is overly generous.faaip wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:05 pm We can't cherry pick which games we award a MOTM to. Might as well get rid if we did. You learn more when you lose than when you win and that wasn't 11 players playing pure s**t whatever you may think there were degrees.
I do agree the goalscorer shouldn't garner most votes just because he scores, he needs to have a good game overall. But Bamford benefits from the former a lot. BTW Ayling is a wing back which means half is job is defence and half is getting forward to support and overlap and he did ok going forward today IMO
Todays only real problem was how we lined up in central defence. Struijk looked lost trying to work opposite to normal. Cooper didn't get much pre season and was off the pace. We don't lose 5-1 if we had Koch and Struijk as defenders. Not sure who plays DMF if Kalvin is injured though ...maybe Dallas. We do still lose but we're away to, for me, a top 3 team. I didn't see pre game anyway we'd come away with points...
Normally a goal will give you a boost on these polls but i felt that defensively Ayling was just so bad that the usual boost you get for a goal should be totally ignored. Literally if you watch the highlights packages the first chance is Pogba who Ayling is miles away from going through on goal and missing a chance after a stepover. The second is Pogba playing Fernandes through for the goal, Ayling again is miles off his man no where near tight enough.
The 3rd is his goal, a great strike, the 4th Ayling has his back to Pogba who receives the ball and plays in Greenwood to score, and then the last goal Ayling has gone walkies leaving Raph to track Pogba. It was such a bad defensive performance i struggle to see how 1 goal can counter a truly woeful defensive display in which Ayling was partially responsible for 4 of 5 goals?
He did do ok offensively relatively speaking but his defensive game was woeful, every bit as bad as Koch imo.
Agree on the cb situaton it didnt look right but Koch was dreadful also from a defensive point of view, tracking runners is just defending and he didnt do that at all well imo.
I dont get why the senior left footer in Cooper wasnt the one moved across? Why was poor Struijk put at a disadvantage?
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Re: Manchester United v Leeds United - 5-1 - MOTM
Welcome to the forumSMJ1993LUFC wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:17 pm I think this season we certainly needed to start a bit more level headed than we did last season. There was no Ill feeling after the Liverpool 4-3 defeat because we matched everything they did and lost of arguable decisions. My frustration today is the Kalvin Phillips conundrum, that position is so specialised and he is so finely tuned to work efficiently in that system that no other player can sit in there and do the same job and it’s not just him being replaced being the only issue, more often than not the whole 11 is then worked around into positions they can play but at a weaker standard, And this isn’t me slating the players, just highlighting the absolute obvious which seems to evade Bielsa but not the fans. Another frustration is Rodrigo, are we expecting too much from the price tag? 30m is pocket change to many clubs but to us that’s huge, should be the best player by far, and yet it isn’t clicking, and hasn’t properly clicked in his time at Leeds apart from a couple of very good moments here and there, but I don’t believe this version of Bielsa suits him at all. The difference between the system that played to Roofe’s strengths isn’t the same as the one now playing to Bamfords, but the Bamford system I find hinders us against the big guns. How many times do we need to see Luke Ayling clip a ball into a lone Bamford with a player like Harry Maguire behind him on his shoulders? Not only does the ball have to be pin point but then Bamford needs to take it down and carry on play with a 6’4 lad breathing down his neck, simply isn’t going to happen, and that’s why we lose so much possession. I’d love to see us buy a player with that edge in the middle of the park, like what Pablo used to be in the championship for us, a cut above, and then I think Bamford really would thrive playing off the last man instead of trying to take down hopeless balls. I don’t think it’s time to panic at all but the fact that even now if we get sucked in, its a shorter season than the championship and if we did end up down, All our big guns are gone, alone with Bielsa and that’s why the panic sets in.
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