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[Sean_Nile]

No, I pointed out that proof of any link to Joe Biden being involved doesn't exist. Don't twist my post to fit your agenda.

Then you throw up some more allegations of a similar kind. Its a big difference between this and Donald Trumps criminal acts. In normal times he wouldn't have been allowed to be a candidate at all.

[Sean_Nile]

[malcolmw]

Mandating a medical intervention that was neither safe or effective, and following the so called science has resulted in so many adverse events like myocarditis and pericarditis, and in many countries governments are refusing to even discuss the phenomenon of excess deaths, in the UK they use mathematical jiggery-pokery to massage the statistics so they don't look so bad, and when Andrew Bridgen raises concerns, the house of commons empties because they refuse to listen to what he says, and he gets kicked out of his party.

At the recent election he was being called a Covid-denying mentalist and Andrew Bridgen came *sixth* in his constituency and lost his seat in parliament... that's the will of the people at work. Silenced.

Five states in America are now taking Pfizer to court over the vaccine, and the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was withdrawn because of it being associated with blood clots.

What about the chant of the woke left "My body my choice" it applies to the so called reproductive rights, a euphemism for abortion, but that does not apply to saying no to government mandates over vaccines... and thousands of people lost their jobs because they simply refused to take the jab... not to mention lockdowns, closing schools and keeping 6ft apart which had no scientific basis in a recent admission by Fauci.

And all the while Robert Kennedy another "antivaccer" and presidential candidate is not afforded secret service protection... not that it did Trump any good.

OK Sean. No point going further. I won't waste breath arguing with vaccine and science deniers.

[Sean_Nile]

OK Sean. No point going further. I won't waste breath arguing with vaccine and science deniers.

A experimental mRNA gene therapy, would be a more accurate description.

[The Subhuman]

Shame Sara isn't here...

[malcolmw]

A experimental mRNA gene therapy, would be a more accurate description.

OK you go with that. You're a molecular biologist I assu.e?

[Pullhard]

Most of my work colleagues are based in the US.

When talking to them, two words I never surface or voice an opinion on are "politics" and 'guns".
You will lose half the room otherwise.
Just never know which half.
It's a totally binary topic for many in the US.

The conspiracy theory stuff is as bizarre as it is sad.

One thing that the US and UK share is a dysfunctional electoral system, which serves the incumbents though is no longer fit for purpose.
The UK is ranked the 19th most democratic country in the world. The US is 29th. Both are falling in the rankings. That is fundamental to many of the issues we are looking at.

[Jaydog]

Most of my work colleagues are based in the US.

When talking to them, two words I never surface or voice an opinion on are "politics" and 'guns".
You will lose half the room otherwise.
Just never know which half.
It's a totally binary topic for many in the US.

The conspiracy theory stuff is as bizarre as it is sad.

One thing that the US and UK share is a dysfunctional electoral system, which serves the incumbents though is no longer fit for purpose.
The UK is ranked the 19th most democratic country in the world. The US is 29th. Both are falling in the rankings. That is fundamental to many of the issues we are looking at.

Indeed. We had an American friend here who simply got up and walked out when I questioned gun policy in the States. He went home
He said the British simply don’t understand the need of an American to own a gun.

[Sean_Nile]

OK you go with that. You're a molecular biologist I assu.e?

Well since you ask, I was a bioinfomatician working at the European Bioinformatics Institute (EBI) near at Stump Cross, when the Human Genome was being sequenced at the Sanger Centre by John Sulston, in competition with Craig Venter from the states who was affectionately known as Darth Venter... because he wanted to patent the genes he had sequenced, while Sulston wanted all the genes to be in the public domain and available to scientist world wide. Yanks always wanting to make a buck from their research.

But that is another story, which you would have no interest in, since you only accept the science that is comforting to your own point of view.

[Jaydog]

Well since you ask, I was a bioinfomatician working at the European Bioinformatics Institute (EBI) near at Stump Cross, when the Human Genome was being sequenced at the Sanger Centre by John Sulston, in competition with Craig Venter from the states who was affectionately known as Darth Venter... because he wanted to patent the genes he had sequenced, while Sulston wanted all the genes to be in the public domain and available to scientist world wide. Yanks always wanting to make a buck from their research.

But that is another story, which you would have no interest in, since you only accept the science that is comforting to your own point of view.

Can you translate that for the less knowledgeable.

[Sean_Nile]

Can you translate that for the less knowledgeable.

Just know that the Genbank format of nucleotide sequences held at NCBI was different to the EMBL format held at EBI, and that different software had to be used to interrogate the American and European databases. That's how competitive it was.

[Lorimer46]

Indeed. We had an American friend here who simply got up and walked out when I questioned gun policy in the States. He went home
He said the British simply don’t understand the need of an American to own a gun.

Personally I don't have a problem with them owning a handgun for personal safety , or a farmer who wants to shoot vermin , or even guys who go hunting at the weekend . What I do have a problem with is people owning multiple weapons and milatary grade rifles , you don't shoot deer with those types of guns.
When the constitution was written weapons were nothing like today's firearms , despite what John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movies might portray . They were nowhere near as powerful and distance you could shoot was fairly short .
I know it's never going to happen due to the amount of Dollars the NRA put into the pockets of various senators and congressmen but they need to have a proper and serious discussion about firearm ownership , it's a crazy situation where you can buy your kid a gun , but you can't buy them a kinder egg because they are seen as dangerous

[Jaydog]

Personally I don't have a problem with them owning a handgun for personal safety , or a farmer who wants to shoot vermin , or even guys who go hunting at the weekend . What I do have a problem with is people owning multiple weapons and milatary grade rifles , you don't shoot deer with those types of guns.
When the constitution was written weapons were nothing like today's firearms , despite what John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movies might portray . They were nowhere near as powerful and distance you could shoot was fairly short .
I know it's never going to happen due to the amount of Dollars the NRA put into the pockets of various senators and congressmen but they need to have a proper and serious discussion about firearm ownership , it's a crazy situation where you can buy your kid a gun , but you can't buy them a kinder egg because they are seen as dangerous

Like rapid fire arms too.
Surprised that drones haven’t been used for an atrocity tbh.
Kinder eggs. Dangerous?

[Jaydog]

Just know that the Genbank format of nucleotide sequences held at NCBI was different to the EMBL format held at EBI, and that different software had to be used to interrogate the American and European databases. That's how competitive it was.

Thanks for clearing it up Sean

[malcolmw]

Well since you ask, I was a bioinfomatician working at the European Bioinformatics Institute (EBI) near at Stump Cross, when the Human Genome was being sequenced at the Sanger Centre by John Sulston, in competition with Craig Venter from the states who was affectionately known as Darth Venter... because he wanted to patent the genes he had sequenced, while Sulston wanted all the genes to be in the public domain and available to scientist world wide. Yanks always wanting to make a buck from their research.

But that is another story, which you would have no interest in, since you only accept the science that is comforting to your own point of view.

Sounds like you have an axe to grind for some reason Sean. Hmmmm?

All I know is we would still have measles, polio, smallpox, diptheria and in fact Covid, killing millions of people if not for vaccines.

Yes I do put my faith in science - that I read from (multiple) credible sources. Have done all my life. No, much of it isn't comfortable - like when I lost my sister to cancer. But you likely have some "facts" about cancer too no doubt.
I dont subscribe to the flat earth society or the Trumpist concept of 'alternative facts".

I will not respond to any further comments.tary on this. Like I said - pointless. I will however be getting my Covid booster this autumn.

[malcolmw]

Most of my work colleagues are based in the US.

When talking to them, two words I never surface or voice an opinion on are "politics" and 'guns".
You will lose half the room otherwise.
Just never know which half.
It's a totally binary topic for many in the US.

The conspiracy theory stuff is as bizarre as it is sad.

One thing that the US and UK share is a dysfunctional electoral system, which serves the incumbents though is no longer fit for purpose.
The UK is ranked the 19th most democratic country in the world. The US is 29th. Both are falling in the rankings. That is fundamental to many of the issues we are looking at.

Key difference though is the UK and other flawed democracies have more than 2 parties - so alliances and coalitions have to be formed to govern - UK, all of Western Europe, Canada, etc.
The US 2 party system - independents and others can't compete due to money - is now killing them. It worked in the good times but not in the 21st century post-truth world.
Couple thay with their gun culture and religious fundamentalists and it's a powder keg

I hope not to have to go down there for the 4 years or so.

[Jaydog]

Key difference though is the UK and other flawed democracies have more than 2 parties - so alliances and coalitions have to be formed to govern - UK, all of Western Europe, Canada, etc.
The US 2 party system - independents and others can't compete due to money - is now killing them. It worked in the good times but not in the 21st century post-truth world.
Couple thay with their gun culture and religious fundamentalists and it's a powder keg

I hope not to have to go down there for the 4 years or so.

I preferred our conversation about bread tbh Malcolm.
Interesting that my American customer today wasn’t remotely interested in it all. Said Trump was dangerous but didn’t even know about the Biden “bullseye” comment. They’re all idiots in whatever country you inhabit as far as I’m concerned.

[malcolmw]

I preferred our conversation about bread tbh Malcolm.
Interesting that my American customer today wasn’t remotely interested in it all. Said Trump was dangerous but didn’t even know about the Biden “bullseye” comment. They’re all idiots in whatever country you inhabit as far as I’m concerned.

Yes, let's stick to bread and golf - everything else is half-baked!!
Can't wait for The Open to start tomorrow. Best sporting event of the year - except maybe for the game that gets Leeds promoted!

[Jaydog]

Yes, let's stick to bread and golf - everything else is half-baked!!
Can't wait for The Open to start tomorrow. Best sporting event of the year - except maybe for the game that gets Leeds promoted!

Yes it’s all just a mere baguette really.

Me too. Let the wind blow.

[Sean_Nile]

I will not respond to any further comments.tary on this. Like I said - pointless. I will however be getting my Covid booster this autumn.

Good luck with that, make sure the nurse aspirates the syringe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8941363/