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WestgateRun wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:43 am It was an entertaining series, but in the final analysis Australia quickly went to 2-0 up against BazBall. Then they just needed a draw somewhere.
It will be interesting to see how England fare when they next play in Australia conditions, where the Aussie bowlers have a distinct advantage.
Hopefully in that time we will have continued to develop. This team has come so far in such a short space of time. We adapted brilliantly to the conditions in Pakistan, albeit they are no Australia, and I am looking forward to the next ashes battle. Players like Crawley have come on so much this series and feel secure in the England set=up now so that they can play without distraction and play their best cricket.

Last season Crawley would give 5 chances away just to reach 20, his mind seemed cluttered and it also affected his catching which was diabolical. Now he knows exactly how he wants to play, whilst still giving some chances away is giving far less away and his catching has been superb, and very unlucky with a one handed grab yesterday.

Harry Brook I feel got a similarly cluttered mind early in the series. Too much outside noise, expert opinions etc, telling him how to play despite how many centuries he had compiled in such a quick time. His batting was affected but it seems he has started to play to his strengths again later in the series, ignoring the outside distractions.

The strength of this team is in allowing players to play the way that suits them best. Not trying to turn them into something they are not. Letting them play that way and backing them even when they fail. Letting them work it out for themselves, giving them advice and encouragement when needed and backing them and their ability to come through.
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Great series, exciting all the way through and right to the end.

Congratulations to Australia who have retained the Ashes but have been lucky to do so, in my opinion - the better team rightfully tied the series in the end.

England were foiled by a challenging but, ultimately, over ambitious declaration in the Lords test. Foiled by cheating in the Edgbaston test, and foiled by the rain in Manchester. It could have been 5-0.

Well done both teams but especially England!
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WestgateRun wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:43 am It was an entertaining series, but in the final analysis Australia quickly went to 2-0 up against BazBall. Then they just needed a draw somewhere.
It will be interesting to see how England fare when they next play in Australia conditions, where the Aussie bowlers have a distinct advantage.
I don't have high hopes for our next trip down under. I never do.

There will be a great deal of change in the England squad. Broad and Moeen done. Expect Jimmy to be done by then. And players like Woakes only do well in England. Also we have to worry about Stokes. I hope he can get his knee fixed during this next break. And as good as Duckett and Crawley have been, I wonder if they'll both last at the top of the order. Big fan of the Bazball approach. But I'd love for us to find one rock at the top. We had a long line of great openers which ended when Cook retired.

Two biggest factors for me are the fitness of Stokes - he's pivotal to so much of the team's balance and approach. And building a new bowling attack without the two legends.
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weasel wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:54 am Hopefully in that time we will have continued to develop. This team has come so far in such a short space of time. We adapted brilliantly to the conditions in Pakistan, albeit they are no Australia, and I am looking forward to the next ashes battle. Players like Crawley have come on so much this series and feel secure in the England set=up now so that they can play without distraction and play their best cricket.

Last season Crawley would give 5 chances away just to reach 20, his mind seemed cluttered and it also affected his catching which was diabolical. Now he knows exactly how he wants to play, whilst still giving some chances away is giving far less away and his catching has been superb, and very unlucky with a one handed grab yesterday.

Harry Brook I feel got a similarly cluttered mind early in the series. Too much outside noise, expert opinions etc, telling him how to play despite how many centuries he had compiled in such a quick time. His batting was affected but it seems he has started to play to his strengths again later in the series, ignoring the outside distractions.

The strength of this team is in allowing players to play the way that suits them best. Not trying to turn them into something they are not. Letting them play that way and backing them even when they fail. Letting them work it out for themselves, giving them advice and encouragement when needed and backing them and their ability to come through.
Harry Brook had a formative series. He averaged 40. And his strike rate was "only" 71. That was below a few England players and below Steve Smith and Travis Head. He had one knock of 50 (at Lord's I think) where he looked really out of sorts. It was a slightly embarrassing innings, even though he got 50. And he definitely seemed to adjust his approach after that. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Geoff Boycott is still having private words in the all the Yorkshire boys ears. And he played especially well after that - I thought he was especially brilliant (and measured) in the 4th innings at Headingley and the 1st innings at The Oval when the rest of the line up disappointed. I have huge hopes for Brook. Someone recently said they expect him to be similar to KP. Certainly hope so.

Not too worried about our batting going forward. Been pleased with Crawley and Duckett - but I would hope that we can find one stalwart at the top. In my memory we've always had a legend at the top of the order (Boycott, Gooch, Atherton, Vaughan, Tresco, Strauss, Cook). But it's been a few years now. I get that Stokes has found a way to adjust for that. But I'd love to find one stalwart that will nail a place for the next decade.

It's the bowling make up that has questions. Broad and Moeen gone. When Leach went down our lack of spin options was immediately apparent. (Same was true for Oz when Lyon went down). Hopefully one of the youngsters will come through this winter. I don't expect too many more wickets for Jimmy. We have several others that we've rotated but consistent fitness has always been an issue. Wood was struggling in his 3rd match in a row. Archer might never play again. Robbo injured. And Woakes is brilliant at home but seemingly can't bowl elsewhere. Again, there are a lot of good parts, but we'll have to see how consistently we can put them together.

Biggest question is Stokes. I think he's about to have surgery again. His captaincy and leadership have been amazing. As long as he's around, you can see this being a strong England team. I'd argue that he might not be worth his place as a batsman alone - capable of the miraculous but not consistent enough. But his role is crucial. His ability (or non) to bowl impacts the whole composition of the team.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:10 am Great series, exciting all the way through and right to the end.

Congratulations to Australia who have retained the Ashes but have been lucky to do so, in my opinion - the better team rightfully tied the series in the end.

England were foiled by a challenging but, ultimately, over ambitious declaration in the Lords test. Foiled by cheating in the Edgbaston test, and foiled by the rain in Manchester. It could have been 5-0.

Well done both teams but especially England!
I agree with the 5-0. Problem was we failed to finish a winning position in the 1st test. The 2nd was almost a miraculous comeback but we fell short. Fair to say Australia deserved the 2nd and it was only a miracle knock by Stokes that gave us a chance, And in the 4th (to quote David Lloyd 30 years ago) we absolutely murdered them. So, yeah, we should have won this series. But, still incredibly pleased with our overall performance. We take all the moral plaudits.
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Yes, Andrew, you’re right, England do take all the moral plaudits from this series.

Funnily enough, Bumble lives locally to me and can be seen regularly in my local pub.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:36 pm Yes, Andrew, you’re right, England do take all the moral plaudits from this series.

Funnily enough, Bumble lives locally to me and can be seen regularly in my local pub.
Is he as funny in real life as he is in the commentary box :)
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Barlow Boy wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:39 pm Is he as funny in real life as he is in the commentary box :)
Not had the pleasure of speaking to him personally yet BB, but I’m told he’s quite the character by other locals who know him well, as you would expect.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:18 pm Not had the pleasure of speaking to him personally yet BB, but I’m told he’s quite the character by other locals who know him well, as you would expect.
I can imagine he’s quite a fun bloke to have a beer with, plenty of stories to tell.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:36 pm Yes, Andrew, you’re right, England do take all the moral plaudits from this series.

Funnily enough, Bumble lives locally to me and can be seen regularly in my local pub.
Record will show they didn't win back the Ashes in their own back yard.

Team selection was poor with Tongue not used ahead of Anderson who was clearly gassed.


Bairstows keeping cost too many runs to justify his batting.

Pitch selection showed too much respect for the Aussies.

Oh and finally the constant attempts to change the ball because they couldn't make it swing was on a par with all the crying we heard about Carey stumping Bairstow.

Perhaps in England you may claim a moral victory but that doesn't stack up.
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Irish Ian wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:57 am Record will show they didn't win back the Ashes in their own back yard.

Team selection was poor with Tongue not used ahead of Anderson who was clearly gassed.


Bairstows keeping cost too many runs to justify his batting.

Pitch selection showed too much respect for the Aussies.

Oh and finally the constant attempts to change the ball because they couldn't make it swing was on a par with all the crying we heard about Carey stumping Bairstow.

Perhaps in England you may claim a moral victory but that doesn't stack up.
Both sides were doing that. Definitely seems to be something new in the game as the balls got changed several times whereas in the past it would probably happen once in a 100 test matches.
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Irish Ian wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:57 am Record will show they didn't win back the Ashes in their own back yard.

Team selection was poor with Tongue not used ahead of Anderson who was clearly gassed.


Bairstows keeping cost too many runs to justify his batting.

Pitch selection showed too much respect for the Aussies.

Oh and finally the constant attempts to change the ball because they couldn't make it swing was on a par with all the crying we heard about Carey stumping Bairstow.

Perhaps in England you may claim a moral victory but that doesn't stack up.
I wouldn’t particularly disagree with you on team selection, but even with the 42 year old Anderson we were the better team.

Pitch selection - you may be right, I don’t know.

As for the rest of your post I heartily disagree:

Bairstow is in the team for his potentially explosive batting which, I’ve explained previously, when the opportune moment comes, he can knock the opposition completely out of the game within a couple of hours, which was exactly the case in Manchester until, unluckily for England, the rain intervened. Also, he’s not a bad keeper either, just watch his catch to dismiss Marsh in the last test.

If a ball becomes mis-shapen it needs to be changed. If it isn’t then the umpires won’t change it, no possibility of cheating there, unlike Carey’s stumping which was blatant.

England take the moral plaudits because they took the game to the opposition, they were not afraid to take risks in search of victory and were positive and proactive throughout, and that made for exciting cricket. Australia on the other hand were, in the main, un-dynamic and generally negative.

Of course Ian, I can understand that as an Irishman it would go against the grain to allow yourself to give England sporting teams any credit.
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Irish Ian wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:57 am Record will show they didn't win back the Ashes in their own back yard.

Team selection was poor with Tongue not used ahead of Anderson who was clearly gassed.


Bairstows keeping cost too many runs to justify his batting.

Pitch selection showed too much respect for the Aussies.

Oh and finally the constant attempts to change the ball because they couldn't make it swing was on a par with all the crying we heard about Carey stumping Bairstow.

Perhaps in England you may claim a moral victory but that doesn't stack up.
You do know the Duke ball has had issues this year and it's the umpires that mandate a change of ball? Pitch selection just about perfect for great cricket not favouring one team over the other

Bairstow long time injured was a bit rusty coming into the series but Carey wasn't a lot better, getting worse as the series went on. I recall all the moaning over Stewarts keeping but he got better the more he played behind the stumps. Bairstow is a world class batsman who can change games.

Anderson bowled very well with no luck in the final test tbf, didn't look gassed at all.
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C'mon Yorkshire another 8 wickets will make me happy
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Root seems to be going through some terrible form of late, is he droppable ?
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And then i just read this ....

'Root has four ducks in his last 10 ODI innings, going back to September 2020. He only had four ducks in his first 139 ODI innings
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Kennyb41 wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:12 pm Root seems to be going through some terrible form of late, is he droppable ?
Absolutely not
He was v good in the Hundred
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Cracking innings from Livingstone after we were 55-5
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Madron wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 3:53 pm Cracking innings from Livingstone after we were 55-5
It was. Pity he didn't get his hundred
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