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Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:09 am
by faaip
Cumbriarents wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:21 am Good move for Charlie, will get the experience of playing regular pro football.

It's such a big step up from u23s to first team prem especially for a defender
Hopefully doesn't enjoy the London "effect" too much or he'll want to be off to Arse next season

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:32 pm
by Cjay
Charlie has agreed to join Millwall on loan and will have a medical.

Hopefully be our Ben White.

Certainly got the potential.

Would have kept him myself.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:01 pm
by Lumiukko
I'm 50:50 should we have kept him in the squad for the season or got some big-boy minutes in him, with both ideas having merits. Hopefully we have a recall clause in the deal to bring him back in January if needed.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:54 am
by Chilli D
I think he will become a bit of a cult hero at The Den. They will love him.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:15 am
by lufc1304
I'm 50/50 too, but a full blooded season (or half season if we recall him) will do his development the world of good. He needs to be starting regularly and it seems we can't offer him that yet. Hate that mob, but they're more of a footballing side than they used to be so may well be a good move for him and he comes back knocking on the first team door.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:48 am
by faaip
lufc1304 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:15 am I'm 50/50 too, but a full blooded season (or half season if we recall him) will do his development the world of good. He needs to be starting regularly and it seems we can't offer him that yet. Hate that mob, but they're more of a footballing side than they used to be so may well be a good move for him and he comes back knocking on the first team door.
And we're less of one so the gap narrows

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:49 am
by 1964white
Good luck Charlie, hope you are back with us next season.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:16 am
by faaip
Can't see if it's season long or till Christmas, I'm going to assume season long and I'm not sure he'll be able to be recalled unless he gets injured.. I'd imagine we're getting a fee too, maybe a Mill plus, possibly 2?

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:15 pm
by mentalcase
I like CC, great potential, United can't offer him first team chances with Cooper, Koch, Llorente, Hjielde and Struijk, so it looks like a loan is the best option at this stage, he's still young, a full blooded championship season won't do him any harm, it might us though, if we aint careful he will think we don't want him and end up elsewhere on t' cheap.
It would be criminal if we didn't have a clause to call him back when needed, but thats Leeds all over right ?

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:39 pm
by faaip
mentalcase wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:15 pm I like CC, great potential, United can't offer him first team chances with Cooper, Koch, Llorente, Hjielde and Struijk, so it looks like a loan is the best option at this stage, he's still young, a full blooded championship season won't do him any harm, it might us though, if we aint careful he will think we don't want him and end up elsewhere on t' cheap.
It would be criminal if we didn't have a clause to call him back when needed, but thats Leeds all over right ?
I don't think recall is allowed in the case of season long loans unless there's mutual agreement (ie injury) There was a new rule put in place 3/4 seasons ago..

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:24 pm
by Lumiukko
faaip wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:39 pm I don't think recall is allowed in the case of season long loans unless there's mutual agreement (ie injury) There was a new rule put in place 3/4 seasons ago..
Must have been after the Nketiah season then?

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:28 pm
by Leeds1000
No better place to learn than the Den. They don't take fools gladly down there. If he gets it right he will be sound.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:37 pm
by faaip
Lumiukko wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:24 pm Must have been after the Nketiah season then?
There might be a mutual recall/refund of money. Nketiah was returned as we didn't use him then he got injured, so either mutual consent or injury return. but I think if Charlie sets the division alight, helps put Millwall in with a shout of promotion then I'm fairly sure we can't recall without Millwall's consent they would have paid for him for the season and obviously require he stays

I don't think a recall clause can be added, if their paying a fee it's basically a sale

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:21 pm
by Lumiukko
faaip wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:37 pm There might be a mutual recall/refund of money. Nketiah was returned as we didn't use him then he got injured, so either mutual consent or injury return. but I think if Charlie sets the division alight, helps put Millwall in with a shout of promotion then I'm fairly sure we can't recall without Millwall's consent they would have paid for him for the season and obviously require he stays

I don't think a recall clause can be added, if their paying a fee it's basically a sale
Thanks for that. I'm not aware of the finer clauses that can be put into loan contracts.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:25 pm
by faaip
Lumiukko wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:21 pm Thanks for that. I'm not aware of the finer clauses that can be put into loan contracts.
Neither am I, I do know that Chelsea would have liked Gallagher back last season but no chance... It's common sense though as it protects the team loaning the player, fairly sure we could have put our foot down regarding Nketiah... Loanees cannot play against their parent club either in the league..

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:30 pm
by Lumiukko
faaip wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:25 pm Neither am I, I do know that Chelsea would have liked Gallagher back last season but no chance... It's common sense though as it protects the team loaning the player, fairly sure we could have put our foot down regarding Nketiah... Loanees cannot play against their parent club either in the league..
Now that's one I do know. Fortunately for Millwall it's not a problem for them.

I hear Millwall have a decent training setup so I'm Ok with the destination but I do also wonder if he would have been better placed at Burnley under Kompany (and he would have stayed nearer to home).

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:52 pm
by andrewjohnsmith
Lumiukko wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:01 pm I'm 50:50 should we have kept him in the squad for the season or got some big-boy minutes in him, with both ideas having merits. Hopefully we have a recall clause in the deal to bring him back in January if needed.
Really think Cresswell has what it takes. With Cooper, Llorenete, Strujik, Koch (plus Ayling) theres not much chance of first team minutes for him. Let's hope he has a good season. Then he can replace one of those guys next year.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:36 pm
by Rook
Done deal. He's completed his loan move to Millwall.


I've just been lurking on a Millwall forum, and they're talking about THIS forum.

Myself,Cjay and others get mentioned. :roflmao:

Link below.

https://millwallonline.com/forum/thread ... ell.51574/

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:50 pm
by andrewjohnsmith
Hopefully this will be a good move for Cresswell. I've seen a lot of him in the 23's and always thought he looked a top class prospect. A good season in the championship and he can come back and be a player for us next year.

Some have suggested we should have kept him this year. With Cooper, Llorente, Koch, Strujik, he'd struggle for a place on the bench. Next year.

Re: Charlie Cresswell

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:04 pm
by mentalcase
Rook wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:36 pm Done deal. He's completed his loan move to Millwall.


I've just been lurking on a Millwall forum, and they're talking about THIS forum.

Myself,Cjay and others get mentioned. :roflmao:

Link below.

https://millwallonline.com/forum/thread ... ell.51574/
Just had a look at that thread :-D
"I can't believe weeds fans type how they speak, but mentalcase does........ on t'cheap"
Cheers you cockney facking slaaaag from darn sarf :tup: