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Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:08 am
by PhoenixUnited
Yesterdays man. Need to move on in my book

Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:45 am
by Clacton White
Cjay wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:11 pm Maybe he just isn't that good?

He was a pretty average Championship midfielder.

Bielsa came in, made him super fit and gave him a highly regimented and choreographed role.

KP shone in this system for a few years.

Take him away from it without the supreme fitness and almost robotic coaching and he reverts to type?

Wouldn't be the first player who looked a world beater for a few years for a certain manager but faded when out of it.

The England vote he won was a public vote hijacked by Leeds fans.

Was he really the best player for England that year? Probably not
I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.

Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:41 am
by The Subhuman
Clacton White wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:45 am I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.
probably yes ... The money is the issue but not the player and there is such a thing as negotiation...

Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:35 pm
by Cjay
Clacton White wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:45 am I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.
I think at the end of the day it's not priority position that holding role as you say, and that is the only role it could be for imo.

Buying him in the hope he could be a 6 or an 8 would be an even bigger risk and another LUFC academy graduate surely has that role next season anyway.

The cost, the lack of form, playing time, injury issues, question marks over whether he is a bit of a flash in the pan, it wouldn't be a sensible deal.

And it would make no sense for Man City to drop the price low enough for it to be worth the risk.

They need around £30mil just to break even on ffp and that's £20mil too much.

Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:51 pm
by pjm2019
The Subhuman wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:45 pm We really think that highly of ourselves? We've lost Leeds fans "hijacked polls a lot of times before that so Kalvin (who was better than Rice for England for that period) won it fair and square. You don't think Manure/City/Liverpool have fans that vote multiple times in polls?

Kalvin is a top class DMF/Sweeper, who was left to rust by City and who didn't want him for that position anyway. He's now suffering from lack of game time and more importantly confidence, plus Moyes doesn't have the ability or imagination to integrate him. I think footballers are people not machines, they suffer from the same doubts/fears we all do and it will always affect performance

As I say he needs to come home, take a pay cut and re-establish himself. If both players are at peak I don't think Ampadu is quite as good as Kalvin.... and boy could we do with the old KP now with nothing at DMF...
I think he is past in and injury prone.

How much would you buy him for and what wages would you offer (a) in this league (b) if we get prompted

Re: Kalvin Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:45 pm
by The Subhuman
pjm2019 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:51 pm I think he is past in and injury prone.

How much would you buy him for and what wages would you offer (a) in this league (b) if we get prompted
I'd go 10-15M and somewhere near Paddy's wages