Kalvin Phillips

[The Subhuman]

Pretty sure we also hi-jacked a game where an ex player of ours was playing and he won motm, maybe was Ben White when he was back at Birghton, and also some of the foreign matches to vote for Alioski etc,

That's a different scenario. assuming White wasn't s**t

[whiteswan]

Nice one Kal ...

Well I'd say it's a bit silly of him when he's receiving so much media negativity already.

[andrewjohnsmith]

We really think that highly of ourselves? We've lost Leeds fans "hijacked polls a lot of times before that so Kalvin (who was better than Rice for England for that period) won it fair and square. You don't think Manure/City/Liverpool have fans that vote multiple times in polls?

Kalvin is a top class DMF/Sweeper, who was left to rust by City and who didn't want him for that position anyway. He's now suffering from lack of game time and more importantly confidence, plus Moyes doesn't have the ability or imagination to integrate him. I think footballers are people not machines, they suffer from the same doubts/fears we all do and it will always affect performance

As I say he needs to come home, take a pay cut and re-establish himself. If both players are at peak I don't think Ampadu is quite as good as Kalvin.... and boy could we do with the old KP now with nothing at DMF...

Well said. Sick of all the negative talk from our own fans - for one of our own.

Bielsa knew that Kalvin was a top player before he even came to Leeds. He is suffering from lack of consistent game time over the past 2 seasons. I'd be thrilled to have him back at Leeds. He excelled as a one man defensive mid. Not just for his energy and tackling but also for his range of passing. He'd be ideal for us as a 6 or 8. Could see him doing really well alongside Ampadu.

As for this weekend, he was very unlucky for that penalty call. Stupid of the Spammers to criticize him for it. Maybe understandable since he's not one of their players. But Kalvin shouldn't have reacted to it either. We'll have him back. Most of our fans (save a few keyboard critics) still love him.

[Cjay]

Well said. Sick of all the negative talk from our own fans - for one of our own.

Bielsa knew that Kalvin was a top player before he even came to Leeds. He is suffering from lack of consistent game time over the past 2 seasons. I'd be thrilled to have him back at Leeds. He excelled as a one man defensive mid. Not just for his energy and tackling but also for his range of passing. He'd be ideal for us as a 6 or 8. Could see him doing really well alongside Ampadu.

As for this weekend, he was very unlucky for that penalty call. Stupid of the Spammers to criticize him for it. Maybe understandable since he's not one of their players. But Kalvin shouldn't have reacted to it either. We'll have him back. Most of our fans (save a few keyboard critics) still love him.

Or people looking at him objectively not because he is "one of our own".

If he wasn't "one of our own" nobody would want to go near him.

He hasn't played regular injury free football for 4 years.

He couldn't start 10 of our matches 1st Prem season.

Following season it was 20.

He's played 13 matches of club football in the last 2 seasons.

As a newly promoted club (if it happens) would anyone want to commit £10s of millions of pounds to a player with that record?

If he was ex Sheffield United midfielder Kevin Peters with exactly the same career trajectory would this even be a conversation?

Always is this clamour for ex players to return, especially academy players.

Alan Smith, James Milner, etc.

KP has a great spell here, 2,3,4 years ago.

He is older, his body is far more brittle, his confidence is shot and the cost of the deal (unless a great deal of very large cost reductions happen) would make it an extremely expensive risk based on sentiment and a yearning for years gone by.

He's on 140-170k a week, even with a 50% reduction he's close to a top earner.

City wanted £40mil in January, even with a 50% reduction he'd be our 7th most expensive signing ever.

Even with extremely large reductions (which it's nowhere near guaranteed he or City would agree to) its a heck of a lot of money wouldn't you agree?

Don't see that as not being a fan or whatever just being realistic.

[mentalcase]

Or people looking at him objectively not because he is "one of our own".

If he wasn't "one of our own" nobody would want to go near him.

He hasn't played regular injury free football for 4 years.

He couldn't start 10 of our matches 1st Prem season.

Following season it was 20.

He's played 13 matches of club football in the last 2 seasons.

As a newly promoted club (if it happens) would anyone want to commit £10s of millions of pounds to a player with that record?

If he was ex Sheffield United midfielder Kevin Peters with exactly the same career trajectory would this even be a conversation?

Always is this clamour for ex players to return, especially academy players.

Alan Smith, James Milner, etc.

KP has a great spell here, 2,3,4 years ago.

He is older, his body is far more brittle, his confidence is shot and the cost of the deal (unless a great deal of very large cost reductions happen) would make it an extremely expensive risk based on sentiment and a yearning for years gone by.

Don't see that as not being a fan or whatever just being realistic.

Agree with you Cjay
Has nothing to do with being homegrown, and I don't believe for one minute that bielsa knew he was a top player before he came, christ (do not moan cause it's easter) he was ready for the exit door before he made a place for him, luckily, he took to it.
We'd have to sell one of our prized assetts to afford him, would you rather we lose Archie or Cry to fund a phillips return !!
Laughable really how some folk think he's actually is the Yorkshire Pirlo

[The Subhuman]

Well said. Sick of all the negative talk from our own fans - for one of our own.

Bielsa knew that Kalvin was a top player before he even came to Leeds. He is suffering from lack of consistent game time over the past 2 seasons. I'd be thrilled to have him back at Leeds. He excelled as a one man defensive mid. Not just for his energy and tackling but also for his range of passing. He'd be ideal for us as a 6 or 8. Could see him doing really well alongside Ampadu.

As for this weekend, he was very unlucky for that penalty call. Stupid of the Spammers to criticize him for it. Maybe understandable since he's not one of their players. But Kalvin shouldn't have reacted to it either. We'll have him back. Most of our fans (save a few keyboard critics) still love him.

[Cjay]

Agree with you Cjay
Has nothing to do with being homegrown, and I don't believe for one minute that bielsa knew he was a top player before he came, christ (do not moan cause it's easter) he was ready for the exit door before he made a place for him, luckily, he took to it.
We'd have to sell one of our prized assetts to afford him, would you rather we lose Archie or Cry to fund a phillips return !!
Laughable really how some folk think he's actually is the Yorkshire Pirlo

He only played 59% of Bielsa's Premier league matches.

People talk like he was a regular, he wasn't fit enough, he played less than Pascal Struijk and Liam Cooper.

The man was great in the Championship, did well enough in the Prem when he could but he missed a ton of matches.

People talk like he had multiple great seasons in the Premier League, he played exactly 38 matches worth of minutes for Bielsa in the Prem (exactly 1 season worth).

It's LUFC tinted glasses imo, heart ruling head.

If he wasn't Kalvin Phillips and had had nothing to do with LUFC till now then this wouldn't be a debate.

No different to years gone by when Alan Smith was coming back, Aaron Lennon, Danny Rose, Jonny Howson, Charlie Taylor, James Milner.

We've seen this before.

Sentiment

[mentalcase]

He only played 59% of Bielsa's Premier league matches.

People talk like he was a regular, he wasn't fit enough, he played less than Pascal Struijk and Liam Cooper.

The man was great in the Championship, did well enough in the Prem when he could but he missed a ton of matches.

People talk like he had multiple great seasons in the Premier League, he played exactly 38 matches worth of minutes for Bielsa in the Prem (exactly 1 season worth).

It's LUFC tinted glasses imo, heart ruling head.

If he wasn't Kalvin Phillips and had had nothing to do with LUFC till now then this wouldn't be a debate.

No different to years gone by when Alan Smith was coming back, Aaron Lennon, Danny Rose, Jonny Howson, Charlie Taylor, James Milner.

We've seen this before.

Sentiment

Have to say agree 100%
I think a lot of fans swooning for him don't go anymore, probably never seen him live either, then make some mystique up about him, I certainly don't want him back, he'd be a cert for the Adam Forshaw suite.

[Madron]

Or people looking at him objectively not because he is "one of our own".

If he wasn't "one of our own" nobody would want to go near him.

He hasn't played regular injury free football for 4 years.

He couldn't start 10 of our matches 1st Prem season.

Following season it was 20.

He's played 13 matches of club football in the last 2 seasons.

As a newly promoted club (if it happens) would anyone want to commit £10s of millions of pounds to a player with that record?

If he was ex Sheffield United midfielder Kevin Peters with exactly the same career trajectory would this even be a conversation?

Always is this clamour for ex players to return, especially academy players.

Alan Smith, James Milner, etc.

KP has a great spell here, 2,3,4 years ago.

He is older, his body is far more brittle, his confidence is shot and the cost of the deal (unless a great deal of very large cost reductions happen) would make it an extremely expensive risk based on sentiment and a yearning for years gone by.

He's on 140-170k a week, even with a 50% reduction he's close to a top earner.

City wanted £40mil in January, even with a 50% reduction he'd be our 7th most expensive signing ever.

Even with extremely large reductions (which it's nowhere near guaranteed he or City would agree to) its a heck of a lot of money wouldn't you agree?

Don't see that as not being a fan or whatever just being realistic.

Agree with that.
I;ve never really understood all the idolising of KP, always thought he was over-rated.
We don't need him now, certainly based on the last 2 years.
Buying him back just because he used to play for us is wrong and certainly nothing over 8-10 M ,
Money is better used in other places.

[Lorimer46]

Leeds ready to table a £30 million bid if they get promoted according to the Daily Mirror

[The Subhuman]

Leeds ready to table a £30 million bid if they get promoted according to the Daily Mirror

I'd go up to 15 plus performance based add ons

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Can we have Viera aswell, he looked a far better player.... both probably not as good as first thought out of their comfort zone.

[mentalcase]

Leeds ready to table a £30 million bid if they get promoted according to the Daily Mirror

Thats what you get for reading a leftie rag.

[Lorimer46]

Thats what you get for reading a leftie rag.

I don't buy or read the mirror, just quoting what I have read elsewhere

[mentalcase]

I don't buy or read the mirror, just quoting what I have read elsewhere

Wasn't actually hving a go, just saying about the leftie rag.
I think folk just make storys up, well I know they do , even on here.

[PhoenixUnited]

Yesterdays man. Need to move on in my book

[Clacton White]

Maybe he just isn't that good?

He was a pretty average Championship midfielder.

Bielsa came in, made him super fit and gave him a highly regimented and choreographed role.

KP shone in this system for a few years.

Take him away from it without the supreme fitness and almost robotic coaching and he reverts to type?

Wouldn't be the first player who looked a world beater for a few years for a certain manager but faded when out of it.

The England vote he won was a public vote hijacked by Leeds fans.

Was he really the best player for England that year? Probably not

I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.

[The Subhuman]

I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.

probably yes ... The money is the issue but not the player and there is such a thing as negotiation...

[Cjay]

I always felt back pre Bielsa that KP wouldn't amount to a lot and was disappointed when the club sold Viera at that stage , thinking it should have been KP going , he was then imo a £2m player at best , but Bielsa saw something , changed something and made him a 50m player . I think in subsequent seasons since Bielsa went the player has regressed, lack of playing time hasn't helped at all but you move to Man City and have to expect that . I don't think KP now is really a good option for Leeds...to expensive, a huge gamble and would he be better than Ampadu,Kamara or Gruev at this point in time.....you wouldn't pay 20-30m for a player who is going to be down the pecking order . I think there are positions that need that sort of spending more than midfield.

I think at the end of the day it's not priority position that holding role as you say, and that is the only role it could be for imo.

Buying him in the hope he could be a 6 or an 8 would be an even bigger risk and another LUFC academy graduate surely has that role next season anyway.

The cost, the lack of form, playing time, injury issues, question marks over whether he is a bit of a flash in the pan, it wouldn't be a sensible deal.

And it would make no sense for Man City to drop the price low enough for it to be worth the risk.

They need around £30mil just to break even on ffp and that's £20mil too much.

[pjm2019]

We really think that highly of ourselves? We've lost Leeds fans "hijacked polls a lot of times before that so Kalvin (who was better than Rice for England for that period) won it fair and square. You don't think Manure/City/Liverpool have fans that vote multiple times in polls?

Kalvin is a top class DMF/Sweeper, who was left to rust by City and who didn't want him for that position anyway. He's now suffering from lack of game time and more importantly confidence, plus Moyes doesn't have the ability or imagination to integrate him. I think footballers are people not machines, they suffer from the same doubts/fears we all do and it will always affect performance

As I say he needs to come home, take a pay cut and re-establish himself. If both players are at peak I don't think Ampadu is quite as good as Kalvin.... and boy could we do with the old KP now with nothing at DMF...

I think he is past in and injury prone.

How much would you buy him for and what wages would you offer (a) in this league (b) if we get prompted