Jack Harrison

[CHAPELALLMAN]

He is and this stunts our attack. Ayling made a number of overlapping runs the other night and Jack didn't manage to make a two yard pass to him

Regardless of him being out of position any player should be able to see and make that pass, even Forshaw and Roberts.

Totally agree White Riot.

I sometimes wonder if some young players go all out to achieve the long contract on big wages, and then once it's signed and they are effectively set up for life in their mid 20s, they lose a lot of motivation. Billy would turn in his grave at that kind of attitude.

[Mountain]

If we didn't waste so much money, maybe we could pay higher salaries

I suspect we have a higher income than the likes of Leicester & many other PL clubs around us.

We have :

24,000 season-ticket holders.
36,000 + sell out crowds at ER every game.
Larger membership scheme than many clubs
High match day prices.
Full corporate boxes,
Sponsorships from major companies.
High merchandise sales at our club shops/website (Leeds are not localised club, we are a worldwide organisation)
Huge beer sales at £5 a pint on match days.
Other major business/social events every week.

We also have a board that includes a billionaire who is not prepared to put his hand in his own pocket,
they are not Leeds fans, just businessmen looking after their own interests/personal bank accounts.

None of that matters. Elon Musk could own us, but if he paid out the salaries of Norwich and Brentford (as Leeds did last season) then you attract players of that level. You hope that every now and again one turns into a Buendia, Watkins or Raphinha...and you sell them.

[1964white]

He is and this stunts our attack. Ayling made a number of overlapping runs the other night and Jack didn't manage to make a two yard pass to him

Regardless of him being out of position any player should be able to see and make that pass, even Forshaw and Roberts.

That pass from a free-kick in a stationary stance against Fulham, would have been clever if Jack hadn't totally over-hit a simple training routine pass. No excuses for any Premier League footballer no matter what position they are asked to play by their coach.

If I made as many simple mistakes playing bowls as Jack does. my teams would never win any trophies.

[1964white]

None of that matters. Elon Musk could own us, but if he paid out the salaries of Norwich and Brentford (as Leeds did last season) then you attract players of that level. You hope that every now and again one turns into a Buendia, Watkins or Raphinha...and you sell them.

So once again our tight-fisted board are the culprits.

Aren't Rodrigo, Bamford & Llorente on extremely high salaries, even James & Firpo for what they are worth.

[Mountain]

So once again our tight-fisted board are the culprits.

Aren't Rodrigo, Bamford & Llorente on extremely high salaries, even James & Firpo for what they are worth.

By PL standards they're just above the average. And that's across all players at all clubs, superstars, the subs at Fulham, the 3rd choice keeper at Brentford.

I think we really underestimate just how low the wages are at Leeds. Yes, obscene by comparison with carers and factory workers, but pretty much Mickey Mouse in their sector.

I don't think the board are culprits. I think it's clear they have certain considerations, we don't do the aging superstar for example, we don't do English player looking for 100k plus stuff.

[The Subhuman]

We don't pay high wages atm, we haven't really spent big on any player yet either. Not at this level and not at this time. Rio Ferdinand would have been around 40M had we bought him in 22

Board are doing an excellent job bar the hiring of Christensen and the sacking of Bielsa but no one's perfect...

[1964white]

By PL standards they're just above the average. And that's across all players at all clubs, superstars, the subs at Fulham, the 3rd choice keeper at Brentford.

I think we really underestimate just how low the wages are at Leeds. Yes, obscene by comparison with carers and factory workers, but pretty much Mickey Mouse in their sector.

I don't think the board are culprits. I think it's clear they have certain considerations, we don't do the aging superstar for example, we don't do English player looking for 100k plus stuff.

So from a financial aspect we are out of our depth & progressing nowhere fast.

Seems like we may as well be back in the championship where we can compete with teams at our level.

[The Subhuman]

So from a financial aspect we are out of our depth & progressing nowhere fast.

Seems like we may as well be back in the championship where we can compete with teams at our level.

We're out of Man City/Liverpool etc depth

We're building on a strong foundations after 16 years in the wilderness, have patience WE ARE moving in the right direction and no way would we be better back in the championship.
Adjust your expectations, enjoy the Liverpools, the Arsenals, the wonderful comebacks and take the rest with a pinch of salt

Maybe read If by Kipling ....

[Mountain]

So from a financial aspect we are out of our depth & progressing nowhere fast.

But we know this. We have seen from the past what spending to try and keep up with the big teams can do. The board is taking a pretty sensible approach imo. It will inevitably see us nearer the foot of the PL. That's why I keep saying no one person is "to blame", sacking Marsch is not going to change anything, dumping a player because he has a few bad games or buying some player we see on youtube clips...it won't see us shoot up the table. Leeds is a lower PL club, it is in our DNA, it is a systemic issue. I don't see that as something awful, it is what it is, it's a lot better than the almost 20 years previous. if we wanted success and loads of money we could all support Man City.

[andrewjohnsmith]

If we didn't waste so much money, maybe we could pay higher salaries

I suspect we have a higher income than the likes of Leicester & many other PL clubs around us.

We have :

24,000 season-ticket holders.
36,000 + sell out crowds at ER every game.
Larger membership scheme than many clubs
High match day prices.
Full corporate boxes,
Sponsorships from major companies.
High merchandise sales at our club shops/website (Leeds are not localised club, we are a worldwide organisation)
Huge beer sales at £5 a pint on match days.
Other major business/social events every week.

We also have a board that includes a billionaire who is not prepared to put his hand in his own pocket,
they are not Leeds fans, just businessmen looking after their own interests/personal bank accounts.

You're lucky. I went to watch LA Galaxy play Real Madrid. It was $10 (about £8.50)

[Kennyb41]

One of Marcelo's robots.

I suppose you could call some of them Berts robots yes, the bunny definitely.

[The Subhuman]

5 quid a pint? Cheap, we pay that down here in pubs..

[1964white]

5 quid a pint? Cheap, we pay that down here in pubs..

It may be more, I don't drink beer anymore.

Beer in the north is much cheaper than London & the south.

[1964white]

I suppose you could call some of them Berts robots yes, the bunny definitely.

They only know one way of playing football, without him they are not the same.

Will be interesting to see if Kalvin finds his Bielsa form again

[andrewjohnsmith]

They only know one way of playing football, without him they are not the same.

Will be interesting to see if Kalvin finds his Bielsa form again

Kalvin will. He's been really good in a different set up, style, and role for England.

Klich wasn't all down to Bielsa. He had that great spell out on loan when Christiansen didn't play him. And he's been a key part of Poland for years. I don't think it's just the stamina that's dropped in him. I think it's the motivation to do the high energy press too. There's an age when your head just doesn't want to do it any more. He can keep picking up minutes off the bench for us. I'm fine with that. Maybe he likes it here. But if he has any motivation, he'll want to go play in a slower tempo league - Germany, Poland, Holland, Belgium etc.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

"Leeds is a lower PL club, it is in our DNA."

1993-4 - 5th
1994-5 - 5th
1997-8 - 5th
1998-9 - 4th
1999-2000 - 3rd
2000-1 - 4th
2001-2 - 5th

For those born and bred in Leeds ' our DNA ' is not LUFC being a lower PL club...

[Kennyb41]

They only know one way of playing football, without him they are not the same.

Will be interesting to see if Kalvin finds his Bielsa form again

[andrewjohnsmith]

"Leeds is a lower PL club, it is in our DNA."

1993-4 - 5th
1994-5 - 5th
1997-8 - 5th
1998-9 - 4th
1999-2000 - 3rd
2000-1 - 4th
2001-2 - 5th

For those born and bred in Leeds ' our DNA ' is not LUFC being a lower PL club...

1991-92 1st
1990-91 4th

Yes. That's the Leeds I grew up with. Well after a few years in the 2nd division

[Cjay]

"Leeds is a lower PL club, it is in our DNA."

1993-4 - 5th
1994-5 - 5th
1997-8 - 5th
1998-9 - 4th
1999-2000 - 3rd
2000-1 - 4th
2001-2 - 5th

For those born and bred in Leeds ' our DNA ' is not LUFC being a lower PL club...

Interesting discussion that.

We consider ourselves a big club despite the fact we probably have underachieving as our amount of runners up to winners medals show.

We only just scrape in to an all time English top division league (19th).

In terms of trophies we don't even get close to the top 10 in England (13,14th I think).

But on the flip side we are a comparatively young team.

Not founded till 1919.

After a quick glancé I think im right in saying every team above us was founded atleast 10 years earlier with the majority 1800s and quite possibly all of them (haven't checked).

Chelsea I think may be the only other 1900s team and they were 1905 and had Roman for years.

There's a 300 game gap between us and Sheffield United in 18th for example and a lot of the teams above us in modern history are definitely predominantly 2nd division teams.

Sheffield Wednesday
Wolves
Derby
Blackburn
Sheffield United
Bolton
West Brom.

And then you look at all time Premier League table, we are only 13th.

But in terms of points per game we are actually 7th in Premier league history behind Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manure, Man City and Liverpool.

So it's not easy to decide our place in English football.

An underachieving club? Definitely.

But one with mitigating factors and a decent modern top division record.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

1991-92 1st
1990-91 4th

Yes. That's the Leeds I grew up with. Well after a few years in the 2nd division

Thanks Andrew. My stats were just from the time that the PL came into existence. If we take the top tier then the Revie and Wilko eras come into play too of course.