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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Tue May 29, 2018 6:07 pm

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Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm
Not the first time you have resorted to personal insults when people disagree with you. Can you cut it out please?
Insult or facts? What Insult? Calling someone hypocrit, when he clearly picks out the evidence suiting his Agenda is not
being hypocrit?
And what other insults? Spouting out gibberish? If someone picks evidence selective then that is gibberish.
What else? Numpty? Either that or evil.

So what exactly are you referring to?

If you are accusing me of insulting someone then back it up with evidence, or don`t come forward with such
claims in the first place. Or is this forum of similar nature as the English free press...free speach and so on.
Or should I be more political correct, so that the `insulting` (that is: speaking the truth) is nicely hidden by hypocrit politeness?

Your ignorance is quite remarkable...why not ask the other guy to back up his defaming of T. Robinson?
But then: a longstanding forum member with certain priviledges I guess... :poo:
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Tue May 29, 2018 6:30 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdJaHWvLbk 50:12 onwards...what a coincidence. :lol:

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by YorkshireSquare » Tue May 29, 2018 7:07 pm

fred wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 6:07 pm
So what exactly are you referring to?

If you are accusing me of insulting someone then back it up with evidence, or don`t come forward with such
claims in the first place. Or is this forum of similar nature as the English free press...free speach and so on.
It was the numpty comment.

I'm not here to tell people to back up their views, I'll quite happily let you have a debate, just don't start the name calling.
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Tue May 29, 2018 7:17 pm

Shields53 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 7:07 pm
It was the numpty comment.

I'm not here to tell people to back up their views, I'll quite happily let you have a debate, just don't start the name calling.
Answer appreciated.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Tue May 29, 2018 8:34 pm

Says a lot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOemTQBO9JM

What defines fascism? Collectivism above the rights of individuals. Strange how some religions (or certain groups within such) fall into the same categories as for example Nazism or Communism in regard to this criteria.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by lufc1304 » Tue May 29, 2018 9:41 pm

Am I missing the point here? Robinson plead guilty, that's why he's in prison. End of story
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Tue May 29, 2018 10:32 pm

lufc1304 wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 9:41 pm
Am I missing the point here? Robinson plead guilty, that's why he's in prison. End of story
He wasn`t represented by a lawyer with specialized knowledge (as far as is known) in regard to the accusation. The original accusation was `breach of peace` but then replaced by `contempt of court`.
He may have pleaded guilty as part of a deal. Maybe you can provide the source you have the Infos from?

The vid he made infront of the court (about 1 hour long) did seem to show before his arrest that he had some fears, was feeling uncomfortable in regard that he might get into serious trouble.
But he clearly denied having breatched the peace. The gag order imposed was rather strange too (although partially lessend in the mean time.)

Whatever...the bigger context is, that he has been intimidated over years by authorities cleary because his views aren`t the same as those of the political establishment. Being labeled and defamed as being `far right` long after he had left the EDL not least because it attracted `far right` elements.
A second point is again related to the bigger context, as for example if he (or others) are being denied, maybe uncomfortable, free speach. (Again specifically in regard to anything to do with critizising Islam.)
Naming the gang grooming and raping activities, not least those those related to muslims, way before the authorities started to investigate against These can`t have done his popularity any good either. So him being used as a scapegoat to distract the failures of authorities. (The press being warned not to label any gang rapes as being done by `asians` or `muslims`, and thereby following the rather lenient approach of the authorities towards Islam/Muslims in general.)

If Robinson acted outside the law then he he should be punished like ANY OTHER person would be.
But there are reasonable doubts that his Arrest (or lengh of sentecing) wasn`t solely down to unlawful actions, but also a political motivated act of seting a warning example.

So it is the antagonistic accusations he was arrested and then sentenced for, the very fast conviction (maybe without a competent solicitor), the lengh of the sentence, his life being put under potential threat by muslim inmates (he was attacked the last time he was in prison...I would definately not go so far to assume that the authorities want exactly that to happen again, and be it for a probable severe backlash from the public...but they must be pleased to got rid of him for the time being), the gag order, a symbolic gesture towards the working-classes fears and interests, demonstrating the ignorance of authorities towards a vast part of society, and the wider context of his activities in general where questions can rightfully be put forward.

In regard to this debate here, again people accusing him of being racist, `far right` etc. clearly without acknowledging that his views have changed in the last 6 years made me answer maybe a bit too spiteful. No problems with people not agreeing with his views (as example believing that his actions are more harmful than helpful in regard to the integration of muslims by provocing hatred, assessing the potential danger of Islam or radikal muslims differently etc.), but defaming him as this or that is just not right. (He does claim that the Islam based on parts of the Koran/Haddith is a potentially fascist ieology, and it would be hard to denie the rightfulness of such claim. The same could be said of the Bible, and until the 18th century such was demonstrated by the catholic church...where possible they still act to a certain extent in a similar way. What a religion or its representatives are moraly worth shows as soon as they have the wordly power to form societies to their will, or how they organize themselves within. Even the `peacful` tibetian buddhism had built a rigorous hierarchic society with all priviledges only for the buddhist elite with the current Dalai Lama at the top of the pyramid...the reason the Dalai Lama in exil said quite irritating - concidering the amount of deaths and suffering it had caused - that the Chinese invasion may had been necessary put an end to such ancient form the tibetain society . The Dalai Lama not only being the spiritual but also political leader etc., as the Sharia believers would prefer it and certainly would install if they had the power to do so.)

End of lecture. (Doubt I`ll raise another political issue in near future, certainly doesn`t seem worth the time and hassle...learning from experience I guess that`s called. Not to make the same mistake twice...)

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 2:29 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMkI2LIpjUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYbgQ9jkik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-OTJrb5TH0

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Cjay » Wed May 30, 2018 3:06 pm

He was told when he was given a suspended sentence not to do it again.

He did it again

Went to prison.

Why is this an issue?

Dont get why people are making a big thing out of this.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Ellandback1 » Wed May 30, 2018 3:33 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:06 pm
He was told when he was given a suspended sentence not to do it again.

He did it again

Went to prison.

Why is this an issue?

Dont get why people are making a big thing out of this.
I don't think Tommy is too bright!

It's only a minority, but perhaps people feel sorry for him?

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 3:47 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:06 pm
He was told when he was given a suspended sentence not to do it again.

He did it again

Went to prison.

Why is this an issue?

Dont get why people are making a big thing out of this.
Can you read?

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 3:51 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:33 pm
I don't think Tommy is too bright!

It's only a minority, but perhaps people feel sorry for him?
You are spouting nonsense without backing it up with evidence. One of those who can`t give a f**k.
And in regard to being bright. Based on the BS you have said in this thread it would be rather funny to call
you anything more than a dim light....and always answering after a fellow dim light has `answered`.
Advocatus diaboli without a clue...don`t make me cry. lol


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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Ellandback1 » Wed May 30, 2018 3:53 pm

fred wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 10:32 pm
He wasn`t represented by a lawyer with specialized knowledge (as far as is known) in regard to the accusation. The original accusation was `breach of peace` but then replaced by `contempt of court`.
He may have pleaded guilty as part of a deal. Maybe you can provide the source you have the Infos from?
I heard that Tommy Robinson was denied his own lawyer, and had to have a duty lawyer who was in fact a PROSECUTION lawyer and who didn’t properly defend him.

This is quite something. But, sadly, Yaxley-Lennon was defended by an experienced member of the independent criminal Bar. He may have been offered the duty solicitor at the police station if his chosen solicitor was not available, but in the Crown Court hearing he was advised and represented by a specialist criminal barrister with over 16 years of experience of cases including murder, people-trafficking, serious violence and serious sexual offences. As an independent barrister, he prosecutes as well as defends (most of us do), but his website profile in fact emphasises his experience as a defence advocate. In other words, Yaxley-Lennon had a top-notch defence barrister fighting his corner.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 3:55 pm

You are informed what political tendencies the sources you bring forward are?
Noone knows why he was arrested...and probably it isn`t the end of the story.

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 3:59 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:53 pm
I heard that Tommy Robinson was denied his own lawyer, and had to have a duty lawyer who was in fact a PROSECUTION lawyer and who didn’t properly defend him.

This is quite something. But, sadly, Yaxley-Lennon was defended by an experienced member of the independent criminal Bar. He may have been offered the duty solicitor at the police station if his chosen solicitor was not available, but in the Crown Court hearing he was advised and represented by a specialist criminal barrister with over 16 years of experience of cases including murder, people-trafficking, serious violence and serious sexual offences. As an independent barrister, he prosecutes as well as defends (most of us do), but his website profile in fact emphasises his experience as a defence advocate. In other words, Yaxley-Lennon had a top-notch defence barrister fighting his corner.

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Hearing? The judge admitted that he didn`t even watch the whole vid by T. Robinson while filmed in front of the court, the basis of his conviction. Above that he watched Robinson from the court window: that is being witness and judge in the same person, is not allowed. Then he was arrested for breach of peace...yeah, seriously? And clearly the police were waiting to arrest him.
What about the gag order? Lawful? Was removed because local press made pressure.

And in regard to solicitors: noone knows what the facts are. But even if he was represented by a capable solicitor, the sentencing was in the hands of the judge alone.
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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Ellandback1 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:01 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:51 pm
You are spouting nonsense without backing it up with evidence. One of those who can`t give a f**k.
And in regard to being bright. Based on the BS you have said in this thread it would be rather funny to call
you anything more than a dim light....and always answering after a fellow dim light has `answered`.
Advocatus diaboli without a clue...don`t make me cry. lol


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Afternoon Fred

Seriously - is your last name Flintstone? Your opinions and ideals come from the stone age... :)

I'm expressing my opinion!

You're expressing yours!

That doesn't make yours any more tangible than mine!

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by Ellandback1 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:03 pm

fred wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Hearing? The judge admitted that he didn`t even watch the whole vid by T. Robinson while filmed in front of the court, the basis of his conviction. Above that he watched Robinson from the court window: that is being witness and judge in the same person, is not allowed.

And in regard to solicitors: noone knows what the facts are.
It does show that Robinson had a top notch brief on Monday

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Re: Tommy Robinson in prison.

Post by fred » Wed May 30, 2018 4:06 pm

Ellandback1 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:01 pm
Afternoon Fred

Seriously - is your last name Flintstone? Your opinions and ideals come from the stone age... :)

I'm expressing my opinion!

You're expressing yours!

That doesn't make yours any more tangible than mine!
You ignore the bigger picture picking out isolated pieces believing that you can prove the rightnesss of what happened.
That`s a typical way to distract from relevant questions and problems.
Selective perception is being hypocrit.
I`ve put Forward many aspects that Need to be answered...you have mentioned a single one, in regard you might be right or wrong.

Only question if you are doing this on intent or just because of your dimmness. As ssaid before: N...... or driven by ideology.

Stoneage? lol

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