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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by weasel » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:57 am

Gandalf wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:51 am
I went down to Fulham last year, and I know we didn't win last night, but the performance for an hour was far better than Monk's team managed last season, where we were battered for the whole game, but managed to scrape a draw.
The major difference though is that last season we scored in the 5th minute which meant that Fulham had to throw everything at us as they knew that if they had lost to us then effectively their season was over as the gap would have been 8 points between us. As such we were happy to try and sit back and soak up pressure and try to protect our lead and hit Fulham on the break.

It nearly worked last year as we had a team that was put together to be able to defend well but we can't try to do that with the players we have now. It showed in the second half this season that when we actually tried to play football, instead of defend and hoofball, that we do actually have some decent players - but only if we play to our strengths.

Poor tactics last night and we only got going in the second half after we had failed miserably in the first half and only improved as a midfield after the injury forced the substitution and gave us more bite in midfield.
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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:21 pm

Lucky to make it to Woodall Services as there was an horrendous road accident on the M62 at Howden yesterday morning with a lorry carrying a mobile home crashing into the central reservation into oncoming traffic sadly ending up with a fatality causing absolute mayhem. Still closed at 3am so diversions both ways made it an even longer day. Just to make it a more daunting journey the MI was closed in Leicestershire :(

Positives

Better performance than last season when we were battered & got lucky to come away with a point
The form of Vieira & Phillips
Beaten by a far better outfit
Our fans were fantastic, amazing support/atmosphere

Negatives

Another slow start
We created chances my granny could have scored, they signed Mitrovic in January who has netted ten goals in eleven games. We signed Ekuban & Grot to replace our 30 goal striker
Defence was all over the place as the Cottagers cut through us like a knife through butter
We are a poor team generally, so many lightweight players
Another two players injured taking it's toll to nine players in the treatment room now
Officials gave us nothing
Our best players in the squad Pontus, Samu & Pablo looked very frustrated as they trudge off the pitch at the end

6 Peacock-Farrell - 6 Couple of decent saves, feel sorry for the young lad
5 Dallas - 5 Gave Sessegnon and Targett so much space, at times marking 50 yards away, got done so many times
5 Jansson - Sad to say Fullham forwards were to clever for him
5 Pennington - A sticky toffee
6 Berardi - the usual endeavour from Gaetano
1 O’Kane - We improved when KP replaced him, hopefully he's out for the season.
7 Vieira - getting back to his best
4 Alioski - kicked out of the game, too lightweight
6 Saiz - Improved as the game went on, two wonderful passes in the 2nd half, the ball creating an open goal for Grot was a peach
6 Hernandez - Desperately tried to drag us back into the game
2 Ekuban - Not an instinctive striker, cost us the game in the end & he knew it on his knees with his head in hands as Fulham broke away with ease & Mitrovic showed him how the job his done !

7 Phillips - Turned the game when he came on. Him and Vieira bossed the Fulham midfield particularly in the 2nd half
4 Lasogga - one decent run when cynically chopped down
3 Grot - Miss of the season as he headed the ball into the Leeds end.
Another hands on heads for our fans

6 Heck - Sorted out the problems at half-time, played some nice football in the 2nd half. A lost cause for him with this squad of players, we are simply not good enough

3 Referee/Linesmen - gave us nothing & was very generous to the Fulham boys

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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by Cjay » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:15 pm

1964white wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:21 pm
Lucky to make it to Woodall Services as there was an horrendous road accident on the M62 at Howden yesterday morning with a lorry carrying a mobile home crashing into the central reservation into oncoming traffic sadly ending up with a fatality causing absolute mayhem. Still closed at 3am so diversions both ways made it an even longer day. Just to make it a more daunting journey the MI was closed in Leicestershire :(

Positives

Better performance than last season when we were battered & got lucky to come away with a point
The form of Vieira & Phillips
Beaten by a far better outfit
Our fans were fantastic, amazing support/atmosphere

Negatives

Another slow start
We created chances my granny could have scored, they signed Mitrovic in January who has netted ten goals in eleven games. We signed Ekuban & Grot to replace our 30 goal striker
Defence was all over the place as the Cottagers cut through us like a knife through butter
We are a poor team generally, so many lightweight players
Another two players injured taking it's toll to nine players in the treatment room now
Officials gave us nothing
Our best players in the squad Pontus, Samu & Pablo looked very frustrated as they trudge off the pitch at the end

6 Peacock-Farrell - 6 Couple of decent saves, feel sorry for the young lad
5 Dallas - 5 Gave Sessegnon and Targett so much space, at times marking 50 yards away, got done so many times
5 Jansson - Sad to say Fullham forwards were to clever for him
5 Pennington - A sticky toffee
6 Berardi - the usual endeavour from Gaetano
1 O’Kane - We improved when KP replaced him, hopefully he's out for the season.
7 Vieira - getting back to his best
4 Alioski - kicked out of the game, too lightweight
6 Saiz - Improved as the game went on, two wonderful passes in the 2nd half, the ball creating an open goal for Grot was a peach
6 Hernandez - Desperately tried to drag us back into the game
2 Ekuban - Not an instinctive striker, cost us the game in the end & he knew it on his knees with his head in hands as Fulham broke away with ease & Mitrovic showed him how the job his done !

7 Phillips - Turned the game when he came on. Him and Vieira bossed the Fulham midfield particularly in the 2nd half
4 Lasogga - one decent run when cynically chopped down
3 Grot - Miss of the season as he headed the ball into the Leeds end.
Another hands on heads for our fans

6 Heck - Sorted out the problems at half-time, played some nice football in the 2nd half. A lost cause for him with this squad of players, we are simply not good enough

3 Referee/Linesmen - gave us nothing & was very generous to the Fulham boys
Sad news about the death :(

Agree with the ratings.

The defence on paper is as poor as it was on the pitch.

A winger playing right back, right back playing left back and a weak loanee playing in front of a kid.

You dont expect to stop Cairney, Sessegnon, Mitrovic and co with that.

And Jansson as an individual was bullied by Mitrovic and got his obligatory card for mouthing off.

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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:48 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:15 pm
Sad news about the death :(
Puts things in perspective Cjay

One man killed & two others with life-threatening injuries

If the lorry driver was prating about on his phone or the accident was caused by careless driving he needs jailing. So close to home for me as my cousin's lovely wife was killed by a foreign lorry driver two years ago
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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by weasel » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:26 pm

1964white wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:21 pm
Positives

Better performance than last season when we were battered & got lucky to come away with a point
The form of Vieira & Phillips
Beaten by a far better outfit
Our fans were fantastic, amazing support/atmosphere
Like I said in my reply to Faiip the performance last season is immaterial in comparison to this season as our early goal last season dictated the way we played with us happy to try to hang on to the 1-0 lead from our 5th minute goal. Very nearly worked with Fulha only creating a couple of decent opportunities, Leeds missing a great chance to go 2-0up and Fulham's equaliser being in the 5th minute of extra time.

The form of RV and KP is good and needed as they are our only central midfielders available now with Forshaw and O'Kane being injured. Makes you wonder why O'Kane keeps getting selected ahead of these 2....

How on earth is being beaten by a better outfit a positive? Let's arrange a friendly with Man City get thrashed 10-0 and have a fricking party.

Sounded like a good atmosphere, probably made better because of the ground being compact. I can't help but feel that the atmosphere at ER would be improved by the stadium not being a mismatch of stands that allows the noise to disappate through the gaps rather than rebounding round the stadium.
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Re: Fulham v Leeds - Team/News/Reports/Ratings

Post by Cjay » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:33 pm

1964white wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:48 pm
Puts things in perspective Cjay

One man killed & two others with life-threatening injuries

If the lorry driver was prating about on his phone or the accident was caused by careless driving he needs jailing. So close to home for me as my cousin's lovely wife was killed by a foreign lorry driver two years ago
Im sorry about your cousins wife :(

Hope the 2 injured parties make a full recovery.

Very sad when its careless behavior that leads to loss of life :cry:

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Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:35 pm

weasel wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:26 pm
The form of RV and KP is good and needed as they are our only central midfielders available now with Forshaw and O'Kane being injured. Makes you wonder why O'Kane keeps getting selected ahead of these 2....
Because Vieira & Phillips had totally lost their form, both have obviously benefited from their break. Positives are Hernandez, KP & Ronaldo have all improved by using them sparingly under Hecky

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Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:40 pm

Cjay wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:33 pm
Im sorry about your cousins wife :(

Hope the 2 injured parties make a full recovery.

Very sad when its careless behavior that leads to loss of life :cry:
Thanks Cjay, it was horrible time for our family/relatives. My cousin has never got over his loss, still heartbroken. He himself is a lorry driver but has given up his job because of the dangers on the road & the tragic circumstances that still haunts him !

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Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:57 pm

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Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:26 pm

Sounded like a good atmosphere, probably made better because of the ground being compact. I can't help but feel that the atmosphere at ER would be improved by the stadium not being a mismatch of stands that allows the noise to disappate through the gaps rather than rebounding round the stadium.
Yes a compact stadium does help with the noise factor

Tbh ER is a mish mash of stands

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Post by 1964white » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:06 pm

Love Craven Cottage, a traditional ground full of character. I even enjoyed the walk through the streets of Kesington with all the cherry trees all out in flower :)

Also I do enjoy the Fulham style of play

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Post by Richard » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:18 pm

I'm probably totally on my own with this opinion but....

With the right coach and a bundle of confidence I feel Grot could be a decent player on the right wing for us.

Yes he missed a howler, won't be the first or last to do so and his confidence is low but right wing is where I see him developing.

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Post by Cjay » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:18 pm

Richard wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:18 pm
I'm probably totally on my own with this opinion but....

With the right coach and a bundle of confidence I feel Grot could be a decent player on the right wing for us.

Yes he missed a howler, won't be the first or last to do so and his confidence is low but right wing is where I see him developing.
Not on your own. :)

Although i see Grot being a good striker if given time.

He has all the physical attributes, size, pace, strength.

He came on and sent 6ft plus USA international Tim Ream absolutely flying using his strength fairly.

As you say needs coaching but every player misses sitters, just part of the game.

I'd like to see him start, why not?

Nothing to lose now may as well give players a chance.

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Post by Clive » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:05 am

Cjay wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:18 pm
Not on your own. :)

Although i see Grot being a good striker if given time.

He has all the physical attributes, size, pace, strength.

He came on and sent 6ft plus USA international Tim Ream absolutely flying using his strength fairly.

As you say needs coaching but every player misses sitters, just part of the game.

I'd like to see him start, why not?

Nothing to lose now may as well give players a chance.
I liked the look of him when I first saw him against Forest, but he wasn't able to make much of an impact after that.

He looks to have gained a lot of confidence from his success with the under-23s as he's looked quite bright and he didn't seem to lose confidence after that miss.

He appears pretty mobile for someone so big and has good feet.

I see him as a striker, too. I'd like to see him get a run there, Ekuban's had enough chances.

He's very young and Chris Wood used to miss a lot of chances, so I think there's a player there.

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