Marching On Together

Jaydog wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:20 pm So in this analogy Rutter & Joseph are shits? Is that correct

Not at all. If you end up covered in s**t even if you smell of roses you are still covered in s**t.

Back pedaling hard there

weasel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:28 am Not at all. If you end up covered in s**t even if you smell of roses you are still covered in s**t.

This is high level analogistics. Give it to me in layman’s terms

The Subhuman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:22 am Back pedaling hard there

Nope not at all. Law of averages means Orta will find some good players. If yourself, Cjay, me etc had spent what Orta had I doubt we'd have done any worse and that is the problem. When you have someone that is supposed to be a specialist, is paid a fortune, has a large budget to be able to get an inifnite amount of data on the players, can scout them etc then they should do a lot better than just someone who could watch a few youtube clips.

Jaydog wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:00 am This is high level analogistics. Give it to me in layman’s terms

Orta has made so many s**t signings that the handful of good ones doesn't take away the stench from all the failures. Make loads of signings and you are bound to get one or two good ones. If I gave you Orta's budget and a copy of the latest Foorball Manager game as your only source of stats you would do better than he did.

weasel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:01 am Nope not at all. Law of averages means Orta will find some good players. If yourself, Cjay, me etc had spent what Orta had I doubt we'd have done any worse and that is the problem. When you have someone that is supposed to be a specialist, is paid a fortune, has a large budget to be able to get an inifnite amount of data on the players, can scout them etc then they should do a lot better than just someone who could watch a few youtube clips.

Law of averages suggests he hit on a lot more than you give him credit for.. maybe 65 % plus ... and he stunningly rebuilt our youth teams after the butchery of the three previous owners and administrations

Orta was a very good scout who hit more than he missed...

The Subhuman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:08 am Law of averages suggests he hit on a lot more than you give him credit for.. maybe 65 % plus ... and he stunningly rebuilt our youth teams after the butchery of the three previous owners and administrations

Orta was a very good scout who hit more than he missed...

65%!!!! I doubt it was more than 5 to 10% of his signings have been decent.

You yourself said you could see Joseph's potential from watching video clips. Same for me with Gnonto, I watched a sub appearance and could tell straightaway he was a good player. If I gave you Orta's wages and his job so you could pore over videos of players, look at databases filled with scouted stats for every player in the world then I would be amazed if you did worse than Orta.

The Subhuman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:08 am Law of averages suggests he hit on a lot more than you give him credit for.. maybe 65 % plus ... and he stunningly rebuilt our youth teams after the butchery of the three previous owners and administrations

Orta was a very good scout who hit more than he missed...

That for me was down to Radrizanni being the first one to invest in the youth side of things. Going around signing young players who had been released by Barca, Real etc is hardly like scouring round playgrounds in yorkshire looking for young kids with talent. he no doubt paid hefty wages, for the level of ability, to get these glamourous youngsters to sign for us. Anyone given a hefty budget could have done the same job of simply seeing which young players were nearing the end of their contracts and signign some of them. It is hardly like we are overflowing with young talent coming through the ranks Gray and Cresswell signed for us because of their family links with the club - that is why they signed for us not being of Victor's slippery silver tongue.

weasel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:02 am Orta has made so many s**t signings that the handful of good ones doesn't take away the stench from all the failures. Make loads of signings and you are bound to get one or two good ones. If I gave you Orta's budget and a copy of the latest Foorball Manager game as your only source of stats you would do better than he did.

Seems like a hugely overpaid job to me. Also hard to quantify exactly what they do or have achieved in terms of readily available stats.
Forget the player but his agent got 41 million as part of his transfer deal.

Mateo Joseph Fanandez looks good Very promising I'm sure there's a lot more to come.

2 good cameos form the young man, big strong and can score, if only we'd brought him on earlier last night, does what bamford is supposed to do with all his "experience"

Mateo's bulking up over the summer has definitely made a difference, he's no longer a lightweight and looks a proper handful for defenders. Very good option off the bench.

Great discussion on the Bamford or Joseph debate.

Ger is absolutely spot on.

All four have their sensible hat on this video, as opposed to some on here & social media.

1964white wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:13 pm All four have their sensible hat on this video, as opposed to some on here & social media.

I have a very large collection of sensible hats, I just forget to put them on sometimes

mentalcase wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:16 pm I have a very large collection of sensible hats, I just forget to put them on sometimes

1964white wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:13 pm All four have their sensible hat on this video, as opposed to some on here & social media.

I'm bullish on Joseph. I think he has a great future with LUFC. But you do have to be sensible with the development of young players. And if he is not playing his way into the MANAGER's starting 11 as a result of his training then he is not ready yet. I think it's great that he has earned some minutes. And I do think he is now an option off the bench for the rest of the season.

weasel wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:50 pm If you walk in a room of sh*ts at some point you're bound to slip on one.

weasel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:28 am Not at all. If you end up covered in s**t even if you smell of roses you are still covered in s**t.

I think it was 80 shits at last count, or put another way, a feckin big dump.

weasel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:01 am Nope not at all. Law of averages means Orta will find some good players. If yourself, Cjay, me etc had spent what Orta had I doubt we'd have done any worse and that is the problem. When you have someone that is supposed to be a specialist, is paid a fortune, has a large budget to be able to get an inifnite amount of data on the players, can scout them etc then they should do a lot better than just someone who could watch a few youtube clips.

Stop givin em facts ffs, They can't deal with facts