Bamford vs Firmino

[The Subhuman]

ahh ok...I can ignore this thread.

[dezzy]

No. I think Bamford brings a lot to our team, but he has missed so many chances. I get where your coming from, others are missing too and as a team on a hole we’ve been left wanting in front of goal, but the volume of chances he’s missed this year means he’s been poor.

[Ratscoot]

Bamford couldn’t even VS a wet blanket

[1964white]

Difference is Firmino is class!

[danhirons]

firmino is a cf not a striker - he has Mane and Salah supplying the goals (plus has 5 more assists!) and is not missing guilt edged chances every game...

this thread

[1964white]

firmino is a cf not a striker - he has Mane and Salah supplying the goals (plus has 5 more assists!) and is not missing guilt edged chances every game...

this thread

Tis a joke of a thread Dan

Imagine watching Firmino every week

[weasel]

It is a very valid post. The rest of the team now has 1 goal to their name in 6 matches. That is appalling. Bamford has scored twice as many as the rest of the team during that period - his tally of 2 isn't great but others need to score.

[Cjay]

I agree tbh.

Harrison, Klich, Pablo, Forshaw, Dallas etc all have missed plenty of chances and cost us tons of points.

If they were more prolific Paddy would be less of a scapegoat.

If Salah and Mane werent scoring as much people would ignore a lot of the good stuff Firmino does and just focus on the goals same as Paddy.

Paddy has been wasteful but his teammates put him under so much pressure by being just as bad.

[1964white]

It is a very valid post. The rest of the team now has 1 goal to their name in 6 matches. That is appalling. Bamford has scored twice as many as the rest of the team during that period - his tally of 2 isn't great but others need to score.

I realised we didn't have an abundance of goals in us at the beginning of the season. We were far too reliant on scoring first & keeping clean sheet. Now we have become clueless at defending the lack of goals is more apparent.

We allowed Roofe to leave (who scored 14 goals) plus a potential goal-scoring CB.

Now we have a squad of players who can't score from corners/free-kicks/headers & even struggle to slot penalties away

[1964white]

I agree tbh.

Harrison, Klich, Pablo, Forshaw, Dallas etc all have missed plenty of chances and cost us tons of points.

If they were more prolific Paddy would be less of a scapegoat.

If Salah and Mane werent scoring as much people would ignore a lot of the good stuff Firmino does and just focus on the goals same as Paddy.

Paddy has been wasteful but his teammates put him under so much pressure by being just as bad.

Don't we practice shooting & heading a ball on target under pressure at Thorpe Arch or are we just intent on playing pretty little patterns on the edge of the box trying to walk the ball into the net?

[Chilli D]

I think Radebe88's point in valid but the HUGE difference is Firmino is playing in a team of world class players, particularly the two either side of him and he is just one important cog in an extremely well oiled machine with goals coming from all positions, even the full backs.

[Bally]

Leeds must be one of the few teams where you don't want your best chances falling to your main striker

[weasel]

Leeds must be one of the few teams where you don't want your best chances falling to your main striker

Did I miss something? Do we have someone else in the team that is clinical with their chances? I'm sure if someone measure shots on target, goals per shots etc for the whole team nobody would be doing well.

[weasel]

Don't we practice shooting & heading a ball on target under pressure at Thorpe Arch or are we just intent on playing pretty little patterns on the edge of the box trying to walk the ball into the net?

I would imagine in training we are probably a lot more clinical.

[Norm]

weasel wrote:

I would imagine in training we are probably a lot more clinical.

Hence MB's famous hug fpr PB in that training video.

[1964white]

I would imagine in training we are probably a lot more clinical.

Probably as they are under no pressure

There's no excuses for footballers at championship level missing the simplest chances on a regular basis as Leeds have done over the last two seasons

At the current alarming rate, will probably cost us promotion

[Bally]

Did I miss something?

No that's Bamford

[The Subhuman]

I mean if you think its a joke you perhaps don't understand my point.

Its not that Bamford is better or as good as Firmino. Its about his style of play and how it helps those around him. If Harrison and Costa were scoring goals I believe our fans would be applauding Bamford off the pitch instead of berating him on social media.

I don't think he does though. I've watched him carefully for the last 20 games. Watched the movement and positioning, the frequent inability to hold the ball up for others. Watch him tomorrow night, he seldom makes himself available for the cross or pass, usually allowing the defender to get between him and the ball meaning the pass isn't really on so we get a lot of pull backs to the edge where the AMF is usually not available or low crosses intended, imo, to elicit a corner. Costa and Harrison tend to break into the box and at that point the cross for a header would need a hell of a touch pass to acheive.

Bamford also lacks short area burst, the cleverness of a Roofe to lose a marker and the natural strikers instinct to know where the keeper is and therefore where to put the ball to score. There was a nice pass across the goal for Harrison who mis controlled unfortunately but tbh I don't recall a lot of Paddy setting up others for shooting chances. He's defendable one on one so he's not dragging away a couple of defenders even if he makes those runs.

He's probably a number 10 in a 442 but would need to learn how to bring others into the game...He's what I'd describe as an decent floor low ceiling footballer, who's probably playing about as well as he can right now