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1964white wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:29 pm Our general play

No fluency
Lack of composure
Atrocious passing
Poor crossing
Suicidal passes & loss of possession particularly in the first-half
Defensively all over the place
Apart from Nketiah's saved header & Alioski's woodwork shot we were poor in front of goal
We played against a team who put us under massive pressure and did it well, if they won tonight they would’ve been 6 points behind us,
Pretty harsh view when you consider we’ve come off a massive winning run, Roberts and Shackleton coming back into the squad should add more threat into the team we’ll get back to winning ways,
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No need for doom and gloom. We have to remember that Preston have been up in the play-off positions all season and 3rd for a lot of the time too. They have had a bit of a wobble but even during their wobble they were very unlucky to lose 1-0 to West Brom conceding from an extremely dubious injury time penalty after looking the more likely team to score the winning goal.

Preston set out with the gameplan to get into us quickly. The old way of trying to quieten the home crowd in the first 20 minutes. They executed their game plan superbly and got the additional bonus of a goal. Derby tried to do this to us in the first leg of the play-off, you can imagine the tactically devoid Lampard giving the traditional Sunday League teamtalk and telling them to get stuck into us from the start and not let us settle. However Preston are a much better side than Derby were and had the fitness to carry it on far longer than Derby could.

After that start it was similar to a lot of our games this season where we dominated possession and created plenty of chance but never really looked like scoring. However when you keep putting the opposition under pressure then your hard work will often pay-off and you earn any luck you get. We played poorly, by our high standards, today yet deserved a draw against a top 6 side. We have had a bit of a wobble yet still have an 8 point cushion, the teams below us are all taking points of each other so it is hardly a shock if we only draw against a decent side. Imagine the wailing if we'd only drawn against Barnsley and been second best for most of the match. For all Brentford are supposedly the team with momentum they have only taken 2 more points than us over the last 5 matches.

We didn't play great yet we got a point. We probably played better against Fulham but got nothing.
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paddy parrott wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:30 pm That they are dezzy Alex Neill is a terrific coach and great backroom staff.
Take nowt away from PNE they are a top six outfit.
That good Paddy, Preston had only acquired 9 points from 11 games on their travels prior to their visit to ER today. From what I've seen of PNE over our two games I'll be surprised if the gain a play-off place, mind you this league is so poor & unpredictable you never know!
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mothbanquet wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:16 pm Lacking our usual Pablo today. Alioski looked distinctly uncomfortable until put back in his LB box in the second half. This was the kind of game that Forshaw would've excelled in.
Yes, we obviously missed Pablo, any team would.

But while we missed his creative passing, it was made worse by us not getting simple passes right for much of the game, especially early on.
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weasel wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:55 pm No need for doom and gloom. We have to remember that Preston have been up in the play-off positions all season and 3rd for a lot of the time too. They have had a bit of a wobble but even during their wobble they were very unlucky to lose 1-0 to West Brom conceding from an extremely dubious injury time penalty after looking the more likely team to score the winning goal.

Preston set out with the gameplan to get into us quickly. The old way of trying to quieten the home crowd in the first 20 minutes. They executed their game plan superbly and got the additional bonus of a goal. Derby tried to do this to us in the first leg of the play-off, you can imagine the tactically devoid Lampard giving the traditional Sunday League teamtalk and telling them to get stuck into us from the start and not let us settle. However Preston are a much better side than Derby were and had the fitness to carry it on far longer than Derby could.

After that start it was similar to a lot of our games this season where we dominated possession and created plenty of chance but never really looked like scoring. However when you keep putting the opposition under pressure then your hard work will often pay-off and you earn any luck you get. We played poorly, by our high standards, today yet deserved a draw against a top 6 side. We have had a bit of a wobble yet still have an 8 point cushion, the teams below us are all taking points of each other so it is hardly a shock if we only draw against a decent side. Imagine the wailing if we'd only drawn against Barnsley and been second best for most of the match. For all Brentford are supposedly the team with momentum they have only taken 2 more points than us over the last 5 matches.

We didn't play great yet we got a point. We probably played better against Fulham but got nothing.
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kingmakerbull wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:18 pm At the end of the day, there were 2 players from LUFC who need a kick up their arse. Cooper and Ayling. Ayling cannot pass the ball and Cooper made so many mistakes. Everyone can have a bad day, but if one does even the simple things wrong, then there is something fundamentally wrong with the player. It is like watching Messi but in a negative sense. Whenever Messi gets the ball, we all are on the edge of our seats hoping something magical might happen. Whenever Cooper or Ayling get the ball, we are on the edge of our seats praying nothing phantasmal happens. Dear God, they are that bad!
Ayling and Cooper had poor games, but they are not poor players generally.
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weasel wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:55 pm No need for doom and gloom. We have to remember that Preston have been up in the play-off positions all season and 3rd for a lot of the time too. They have had a bit of a wobble but even during their wobble they were very unlucky to lose 1-0 to West Brom conceding from an extremely dubious injury time penalty after looking the more likely team to score the winning goal.

Preston set out with the gameplan to get into us quickly. The old way of trying to quieten the home crowd in the first 20 minutes. They executed their game plan superbly and got the additional bonus of a goal. Derby tried to do this to us in the first leg of the play-off, you can imagine the tactically devoid Lampard giving the traditional Sunday League teamtalk and telling them to get stuck into us from the start and not let us settle. However Preston are a much better side than Derby were and had the fitness to carry it on far longer than Derby could.

After that start it was similar to a lot of our games this season where we dominated possession and created plenty of chance but never really looked like scoring. However when you keep putting the opposition under pressure then your hard work will often pay-off and you earn any luck you get. We played poorly, by our high standards, today yet deserved a draw against a top 6 side. We have had a bit of a wobble yet still have an 8 point cushion, the teams below us are all taking points of each other so it is hardly a shock if we only draw against a decent side. Imagine the wailing if we'd only drawn against Barnsley and been second best for most of the match. For all Brentford are supposedly the team with momentum they have only taken 2 more points than us over the last 5 matches.

We didn't play great yet we got a point. We probably played better against Fulham but got nothing.
Preston were only in the game because we were constantly passing the ball to them & losing possession in vital areas so much so I could have sworn Ayling, Cooper & Phillips had signed for them over Christmas :shock:
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weasel wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:55 pm No need for doom and gloom. We have to remember that Preston have been up in the play-off positions all season and 3rd for a lot of the time too. They have had a bit of a wobble but even during their wobble they were very unlucky to lose 1-0 to West Brom conceding from an extremely dubious injury time penalty after looking the more likely team to score the winning goal.

Preston set out with the gameplan to get into us quickly. The old way of trying to quieten the home crowd in the first 20 minutes. They executed their game plan superbly and got the additional bonus of a goal. Derby tried to do this to us in the first leg of the play-off, you can imagine the tactically devoid Lampard giving the traditional Sunday League teamtalk and telling them to get stuck into us from the start and not let us settle. However Preston are a much better side than Derby were and had the fitness to carry it on far longer than Derby could.

After that start it was similar to a lot of our games this season where we dominated possession and created plenty of chance but never really looked like scoring. However when you keep putting the opposition under pressure then your hard work will often pay-off and you earn any luck you get. We played poorly, by our high standards, today yet deserved a draw against a top 6 side. We have had a bit of a wobble yet still have an 8 point cushion, the teams below us are all taking points of each other so it is hardly a shock if we only draw against a decent side. Imagine the wailing if we'd only drawn against Barnsley and been second best for most of the match. For all Brentford are supposedly the team with momentum they have only taken 2 more points than us over the last 5 matches.

We didn't play great yet we got a point. We probably played better against Fulham but got nothing.
Absolutely, Preston played very well and deserve credit. We were below our best but there is no need for doom and gloom.
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HarryofOz wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:08 pm Yes, we obviously missed Pablo, any team would.

But while we missed his creative passing, it was made worse by us not getting simple passes right for much of the game, especially early on.
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There were boos at HT but I'm not clear who that was for, maybe the ref
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dezzy wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:52 pm We played against a team who put us under massive pressure and did it well, if they won tonight they would’ve been 6 points behind us,
Pretty harsh view when you consider we’ve come off a massive winning run, Roberts and Shackleton coming back into the squad should add more threat into the team we’ll get back to winning ways,
Dezzy I'm not disputing our ten game unbeaten run or the return of our injury-prone players.

Today we put ourselves under pressure, that was the worst opening 30 minutes I've witnessed from a Bielsa side so much so we looked punch drunk. I really hope that was a wake-up call for our lads as that first-half performance was unacceptable!
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faaip wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:24 pm There were boos at HT but I'm not clear who that was for, maybe the ref
I didn't hear boos from the kop Faaip, could have been for the referee who also had a shocker!
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Could hear it on the sound effects and I posted it at the time, didn't last long and from a small portion of the crowd but it did happen. Could easily have been for the Ref who was better second half
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1964white wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:12 pm Preston were only in the game because we were constantly passing the ball to them & losing possession in vital areas so much so I could have sworn Ayling, Cooper & Phillips had signed for them over Christmas :shock:
With Bielsa's system it is all based on players moving into positions on the pitch so that their teammates can almost play 'blind' passes into areas where they know our players will be moving to. Our players didn't suddenly go from players who probably had 60% pass ratios pre-Bielsa to suddenly becoming much better passers of the ball, what they had was a place to pass to without having to look up, without having to make the pass pinpoint etc. Preston obviously worked really hard on getting players into the areas to intercept our passes by working out where they needed to be on the pitch when our players had the ball as the passes would invariably be going to a certain position. As such Preston pressed two-fold they pressed the man on the ball but were also making their other players move into positions to intercept or pressurise the player receiving the ball.

Players like Pablo have that extra bit of class to be able to hold onto the ball longer, the composure to retain the ball and wait that extra second before passing the ball, to be able to ignore the routine pass and then the ability to play the killer pass. The rest of the team are almost to some degree like robots, able to play on autopilot, following Bielsa's instructions and play the passes into the right area to keep us in possession, but lacking the creative flair of a player like Pablo. But then 99.9% of footballers don't have the ability that Pablo has.

An example of the 'blind' passes into areas are Cooper's long balls. They aren't played to land at someone's feet but played into an area where it gives our wingers, or Bamford the advantage as the opposition have to turn and when Bamford moves across to the wing when the ball is played it can give us 2v1 against their full back. The ball doesn't have to land on a sixpence but just to land in a quite a big area of the pitch roughly 30 yards from goal but out wide so that the opposition just has their fullback in that area as the centreback won't want to go that wide and it is not central enough for the keeper to come out to clear. But all over the pitch we play the same way we get the ball and know players are moving into areas so the players know what their option are. To some degree every player is then like a quarterback in american football with 3 options that he can quickly play the ball towards. He knows his teammates are going to be trying to get into that area so he doesn't need to keep the ball for ages. Preston today had studied our playbook and got their players into the right area to cut off those passes. They did it superbly for 25 minutes but after that they weren't able to keep doing it as they tired and spent the rest of the match time-wasting and hanging on.
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1964white wrote: Dezzy I'm not disputing our ten game unbeaten run or the return of our injury-prone players.

Today we put ourselves under pressure, that was the worst opening 30 minutes I've witnessed from a Bielsa side so much so we looked punch drunk. I really hope that was a wake-up call for our lads as that first-half performance was unacceptable!
The wake up call should've happened 2 games ago against Cardiff. How do Leeds think good teams will start against them ? Do they think teams are just going to give them goals and roll over ? Teams in the top half want promotion just the same as we do so they will go at Leeds and we should be ready for the early game pressure from them. For every team in this league playing at ER is their biggest away fixture of the season and they like to stick it up us so why does it look like Leeds are caught off guard when it happens ? Lessons never get learnt at this club.

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that first half performance was worryingly piss poor . no excuses , we was extremely sloppy, sluggish and far to slow all over the park . genuinely naturally concerned now , anyone who isn't is either a liar or a fool.
we seriously was lacking some leadership and quality .
positively in the end was relieved to salvage a point , eight points clear from the pack but the warnings signs are there from last year and should not be ignored.
oh well chin chin do carry on with you mud pies !
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leic white 63 wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:26 am that first half performance was worryingly piss poor . no excuses , we was extremely sloppy, sluggish and far to slow all over the park . genuinely naturally concerned now , anyone who isn't is either a liar or a fool.
we seriously was lacking some leadership and quality .
positively in the end was relieved to salvage a point , eight points clear from the pack but the warnings signs are there from last year and should not be ignored.
oh well chin chin do carry on with you mud pies !
Nice to see someone not glossing over what was a shocking display :tup:
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Yes, and not only last season's blow up but the previous year as well which people seem to forget. Here's hoping it doesn't happen again.
Bye the way what's this Bielsaball the Dutch were doing the same thing years ago. He is a fabulous coach, flawed in the fact he is unwilling to change the team on occasion.
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1964white wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:26 pm Dezzy I'm not disputing our ten game unbeaten run or the return of our injury-prone players.

Today we put ourselves under pressure, that was the worst opening 30 minutes I've witnessed from a Bielsa side so much so we looked punch drunk. I really hope that was a wake-up call for our lads as that first-half performance was unacceptable!
Preston are a good side who put it up to us, we can’t dominate every game. Words like abysmal and lack of quality after a draw against one of the top sides in the league is a bit of an over reaction is all I’m saying.
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