January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion-No More signings

For everything Leeds United related and everything not - Have your say... the Marching on Together way!
Forum rules
Please be sure you are acquainted with the forum rules outlined within our FAQs.

Help support the site by using our Amazon Affiliate link when making any purchases from Amazon.
User avatar
faaip
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 32265
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:03 am
Location: God's own county

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by faaip » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:20 pm

NorfolkWhite wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:52 am
After a few grim days personally that made me smile :tup:
Cheers....
I don't mean to sound cold, cruel or vicious...

....but I am...

....so that's how it comes out

User avatar
rrfierce
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 245
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:38 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by rrfierce » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:11 pm

Can we all agree that phil hay talks bollocks now? Click bait stories for his subscription $.

Also, i don't understand why we are potentially letting edmundson go out on loan when we literally have no strikers. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

User avatar
BGwhite
First Team
First Team
Posts: 1868
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:02 am

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by BGwhite » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:24 pm

rrfierce wrote:Can we all agree that phil hay talks bollocks now? Click bait stories for his subscription $.

Also, i don't understand why we are potentially letting edmundson go out on loan when we literally have no strikers. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Quite right.
CRAPIAB !

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk


User avatar
Irish Ian
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3536
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:53 pm
Location: Directly above the centre of the Earth.

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by Irish Ian » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:24 pm

The longer this goes on I wonder if we will end up going down the free agent route.

For a striker the "has to be an improvement from what we have" mantra which was repeated last time has to change to "it has to be an improvement on Edmunson"
'We can wait for the next game with serenity'

'I am quite clear in my mind that one has to feel sincere love for those he leads, and if he doesn't feel it naturally, then he must learn how to feel it' Marcelo Bielsa


'Would he kill his granny to win a match?' Bobby Collins

Cjay
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 9418
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by Cjay » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:56 pm

Andre Gray seem to be a possibility.

Bit like Adams tbf.

Worked his way up from Non League.

Scored goals in the Championship.

Bit concerning that he has been living off his past for a few years and Watford fans are desperate for him to go.

Certainly not really Prem class but may be worth a go still in The Championship.

Would be a come down from Adams imo (Gray is nearly 29, potential isnt there).

Not a wow signing any more.

But certainly more desirable then Sharp and co.

Still feel we should be after better though.

User avatar
SaraM
First Team
First Team
Posts: 2180
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:27 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by SaraM » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:58 pm

rrfierce wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:11 pm
Can we all agree that phil hay talks bollocks now? Click bait stories for his subscription $.
He speaks well of you. And no, I don't agree.
In football, nothing is true, nothing is false.

User avatar
1964white
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 77187
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by 1964white » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:12 am

15th January

THE CLOCK IS TICKING

User avatar
dezzy
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3943
Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:46 pm
Location: Cork Ireland

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by dezzy » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:34 am

Before the window started I expected us to get somebody in within the first week, we are now half way through the window and still nothing. I won’t go by what is said in the media as it is all guess work, but we will now be playing our third game without a striker on the bench, that’s not very reassuring for a club going for promotion, but I’m sure the wait means we will get a player that Bielsa wants and transfers and especially loans are not straightforward
I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat..

User avatar
rrfierce
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 245
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:38 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by rrfierce » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:54 am

i find it difficult to beleive that bielsa and orta with all their connections cannot come up with something better than andre gray and billy sharp. Come on guys.

Even Che adams scoring record isn't exactly impressive

User avatar
rrfierce
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 245
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:38 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by rrfierce » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:03 am

dezzy wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:34 am
Before the window started I expected us to get somebody in within the first week, we are now half way through the window and still nothing. I won’t go by what is said in the media as it is all guess work, but we will now be playing our third game without a striker on the bench, that’s not very reassuring for a club going for promotion, but I’m sure the wait means we will get a player that Bielsa wants and transfers and especially loans are not straightforward
I'm not convinced anymore either. We've haven't actually bought a player for nearly 18 months yet received over £30m for players sold.

Where is all the money going? How can we be expecting to challenge for promotion with zero investment for new players.

I appreciate that we're in a much better place than we have been for the past 15 years but the club still doesn't give fans any confidence we're going to get this over the line

User avatar
dezzy
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3943
Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:46 pm
Location: Cork Ireland

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by dezzy » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:17 am

rrfierce wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:54 am
i find it difficult to beleive that bielsa and orta with all their connections cannot come up with something better than andre gray and billy sharp. Come on guys.

Even Che adams scoring record isn't exactly impressive
I’d imagine orta had a few names and ones that would be easier to get over the line, but Bielsa doesn’t want them, the January window isn’t hard to get players in, more like hard to get quality
I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat..

User avatar
1964white
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 77187
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by 1964white » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:33 am

dezzy wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:34 am
Before the window started I expected us to get somebody in within the first week, we are now half way through the window and still nothing. I won’t go by what is said in the media as it is all guess work, but we will now be playing our third game without a striker on the bench, that’s not very reassuring for a club going for promotion, but I’m sure the wait means we will get a player that Bielsa wants and transfers and especially loans are not straightforward
Totally unprofessional & unacceptable for a supposedly big club like ours!

I'm actually very concerned if we go up as we wouldn't getaway with the current procedures in the premiership, it would bring back memories of our 2003/4 season all over again

User avatar
dezzy
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3943
Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:46 pm
Location: Cork Ireland

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by dezzy » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:55 am

1964white wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:33 am
Totally unprofessional & unacceptable for a supposedly big club like ours!

I'm actually very concerned if we go up as we wouldn't getaway with the current procedures in the premiership, it would bring back memories of our 2003/4 season all over again
Do you just completely ignore the good work the board have done over the past two years? Leeds was a shell of a club from top to bottom.
I think we are naive in the transfer market and it’s very frustrating but we are in a very good position going forward should we go up
I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat..

User avatar
1964white
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 77187
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by 1964white » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:19 am

dezzy wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:55 am
Do you just completely ignore the good work the board have done over the past two years? Leeds was a shell of a club from top to bottom.
I think we are naive in the transfer market and it’s very frustrating but we are in a very good position going forward should we go up
Of course not however I do believe our progress on the pitch is all down to one man who has worked miracles with the squad he inherited.

We are good at selling players, not so good a on the buying side in fact we haven't purchased a first-team player since we signed Bamford in 2018.

I don't know of any other premiership or top championship clubs that operate on such limited resources, crazy when you think of our income/revenue compared to other clubs in our league.

User avatar
SaraM
First Team
First Team
Posts: 2180
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:27 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by SaraM » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am

I don't think we are particularly 'naive' either; there's a combination of factors that make signing the right players a difficult process.

One of those is Bielsa's particularity in choosing players who will compliment and augment his system. I actually welcome this, in preference to accumulating an oversized, disjointed mishmash of a squad.

Another is financial prudence. We have shown that we are willing to spend, for the right player, but within the constraints of sustainability.

The other factors, availability of players and the behaviour of other clubs, are largely beyond our control. In the case of Adams, we have met Southampton's terms, but can do nothing about the divisions within their management.

I feel the same frustrations as anyone else, but I don't think we are helped by this knee jerk narrative of naivety and incompetence. It isn't accurate, and is ultimately self defeating.
In football, nothing is true, nothing is false.

User avatar
dezzy
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3943
Joined: Sun May 30, 2010 5:46 pm
Location: Cork Ireland

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by dezzy » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:50 am

SaraM wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am
I don't think we are particularly 'naive' either; there's a combination of factors that make signing the right players a difficult process.

One of those is Bielsa's particularity in choosing players who will compliment and augment his system. I actually welcome this, in preference to accumulating an oversized, disjointed mishmash of a squad.

Another is financial prudence. We have shown that we are willing to spend, for the right player, but within the constraints of sustainability.

The other factors, availability of players and the behaviour of other clubs, are largely beyond our control. In the case of Adams, we have met Southampton's terms, but can do nothing about the divisions within their management.

I feel the same frustrations as anyone else, but I don't think we are helped by this knee jerk narrative of naivety and incompetence. It isn't accurate, and is ultimately self defeating.
Really well said, there is a lot that goes on that nobody outside the clubs no about, but you can’t deny we haven’t a great track record in getting players in, but I think you’ve covered the reasons very well.
I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat..

User avatar
hector
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6510
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:57 am
Location: Salisbury

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by hector » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:06 pm

We just have to think back to the squad that Colin put together to see a perfect mish mash of players with no team spirit.....
I'm often accused of acting like I don't care






It's not an act!!



:) :)

User avatar
1964white
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 77187
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by 1964white » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:08 pm

SaraM wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am

Another is financial prudence. We have shown that we are willing to spend, for the right player, but within the constraints of sustainability.
£12 to £15m on Costa which we haven't paid for yet ?
£7m on Bamford for a striker who isn't a prolific goalscorer.
£4.5m for Forshaw :roll:

Over the last couple of years we've sold players for around :

£15m Wood
£6m Taylor
£5m Jansson
£7m Roofe

I'd rather have those four players in our squad than some who are playing in their respective positions now

£20m guaranteed for Kalvin if we fail this season. All down to Marcelo for making KP the player he has become

We sell our best players but the incoming purchases are not great

User avatar
gessa
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 22367
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:40 pm

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by gessa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:17 pm

3 of the 4 sold were incoming purchases.

User avatar
faaip
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 32265
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:03 am
Location: God's own county

Re: January Transfer Window And Squad Discussion

Post by faaip » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:29 pm

1964white wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:19 am
Of course not however I do believe our progress on the pitch is all down to one man who has worked miracles with the squad he inherited.

We are good at selling players, not so good a on the buying side in fact we haven't purchased a first-team player since we signed Bamford in 2018.

I don't know of any other premiership or top championship clubs that operate on such limited resources, crazy when you think of our income/revenue compared to other clubs in our league.
So you're saying we won't have to pay for Costa..well that is good news
I don't mean to sound cold, cruel or vicious...

....but I am...

....so that's how it comes out

Post Reply

Advertisment