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Re: 2019/20 Transfer Rumours & Discussion Thread

Post by weasel » Wed May 29, 2019 4:04 pm

Would imagine Frank Lumplard would get the pick of Chelsea loan players if he stays at Derby.
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Post by rab_rant » Wed May 29, 2019 4:16 pm

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Post by SG90 » Wed May 29, 2019 4:30 pm

Talking of young Spaniards, I'd love us to go in for Oscar Rodriguez on loan from Real Madrid as a replacement/cover for Pablo. Look at these beauties. 😍


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Re: 2019/20 Transfer Rumours & Discussion Thread

Post by Cjay » Wed May 29, 2019 9:19 pm

So we had 2 of the top 3 strikers for wasting big chances per goal they scored.

Jesus christ Paddy and Roofe.

Also worth noting none of the top 6 aside from us had any, we had 2.

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Post by faaip » Wed May 29, 2019 10:27 pm

More statistical bullshit ...
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Post by Genghers » Thu May 30, 2019 4:29 am

faaip wrote:
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More statistical bullshit ...
And I'm not sure where it falls under 'Transfer Rumours'.

Had enough of people bashing our players now tbh. We fell short - we're all disappointed - but these players got us to the top on merit, even if form dipped late on.

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Post by weasel » Thu May 30, 2019 6:20 am

In some ways it is like the Andy Cole situation. He would need lots of chances to score but because he was so good at getting into the right positions he would get more chances than most strikers and as such would be at the top end of the top scorers chart.

For me the problem still lies with the contribution from other players when it came to goalscoring. For example Ayling found himself in some great positions to score but his technique in front of goal is completely lacking and he has no composure. If you contrast his output, goals wise, with that of Alioski playing at left wing back, or even Stuart Dallas then it is totally lacking. Similarly Harrison got in some great positions but didn't score as many as he should. Tyler Roberts scored none from the no10 position, as did Saiz earlier on in the season - and you really need to be looking at 10 to 15 goals from that position.
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Post by SaraM » Thu May 30, 2019 9:58 am

Totally agree re Ayling, Harrison and Roberts lack of goal contribution.

Also Bamford, and especially Roofe, seeming to have 'wasteful' stats simply because they were so good at getting into goal scoring positions. I could easily see both scoring 20+ if they stay fit.

Need more goals from across the team, definitely. A quality no 10 and winger would be a priority for me.

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Post by faaip » Thu May 30, 2019 10:48 am

I think 25 per season for a striker is a very good return and we got 28 from our three in one over the 47 games. We also got 22 from Pablo and Klich which is excellent, Alio probably would have made double figures had he stayed the whole season on the wing ...Harrison got 5 first season which is tolerable return, he'd double that if he returned imo..

So I don't think goals are the issue..Cardiff got promoted with their high scorer getting 10. Where we lost it was in defence, teams needed justone chance to score it seemed and we never got a balanced, consistent back 4. Defensive partnerships take time to form. We lost every defender at least once through the season, that lead to fill ins playing a lot of games and that way defensive c**k up ensue

We got beat by bad luck and errors in judgement this season, not quality of player

We do need a better captain imo...
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Post by SaraM » Thu May 30, 2019 11:05 am

Take your point about defence, and leadership on the pitch. Who would you make captain? Klich? Phillips?

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Post by rab_rant » Thu May 30, 2019 11:07 am

Sam Gallagher from Southampton is being released, could there be a double
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Post by faaip » Thu May 30, 2019 11:15 am

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Take your point about defence, and leadership on the pitch. Who would you make captain? Klich? Phillips?
I would have said Klich but he's a little too laid back..That can work but I think we need a sgt major. That's PJ for me now
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Post by SaraM » Thu May 30, 2019 11:33 am

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I would have said Klich but he's a little too laid back..That can work but I think we need a sgt major. That's PJ for me now
Be happy to try Pontus (oo er!) Not convinced by this thing about him not being a team player. He certainly has the will to win.

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Post by faaip » Thu May 30, 2019 11:44 am

You don't really want the teams most popular player as a captain, he's not there to be a mate. There's a great book examining great captains in "dynasty" teams..That author concludes the great captains are not the best player on the pitch, happy to question their manager. Bullish and he even says that they should get into hot water every now and again...A good captain absolutely will get in trouble with the authorities



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Post by SaraM » Thu May 30, 2019 12:35 pm

Really interesting that, thanks.

Someone in the mould of Bobby Collins then...

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Post by weasel » Thu May 30, 2019 12:49 pm

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I think 25 per season for a striker is a very good return and we got 28 from our three in one over the 47 games. We also got 22 from Pablo and Klich which is excellent, Alio probably would have made double figures had he stayed the whole season on the wing ...Harrison got 5 first season which is tolerable return, he'd double that if he returned imo..

So I don't think goals are the issue..Cardiff got promoted with their high scorer getting 10. Where we lost it was in defence, teams needed justone chance to score it seemed and we never got a balanced, consistent back 4. Defensive partnerships take time to form. We lost every defender at least once through the season, that lead to fill ins playing a lot of games and that way defensive c**k up ensue

We got beat by bad luck and errors in judgement this season, not quality of player

We do need a better captain imo...
Would disagree about our need for goals. If we score more goals it takes pressure of the defence because we aren't at 0-0 or 1-0, it also means mistakes at the back aren't as crucial. If we are 3-0 up and someone makes an error we win 3-1, at 0-0 we lose 1-0. The main reason we lost to teams like QPR, Ipswich, Wigan and others is because we didn't score or only scored 1. Up until Wigan (and then Derby) we won every match where we went in front - going in front allowed us to dictate how we wanted to play and stopped us getting so stretched at the back and as such less mistakes. Nothing worse as a player than dominating a match and then the opposition take the lead through a mistake - it complete knocks the wind out of you.

We were probably 20 goals shy of what we should have scored, we probably also conceded 10 more than we should have done. That combination saw us lose matches when we shouldn't have. Like you I am happy with our strikers, like you say their combined total was excellent and if they stay fit they will likely both do better, especially if we also have the option of bringing one on as a sub too - a luxury we rarely got last season. I could see them both scoring 20 even if we play with just 1 striker.
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Post by faaip » Thu May 30, 2019 12:52 pm

You always need more goals ..the more games we can score 4 in the better. But those are very decent season totals all round except from the number 10.. I'd imagine Klich's 10 is high up the list of centre mids
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Re: 2019/20 Transfer Rumours & Discussion Thread

Post by Cjay » Fri May 31, 2019 6:11 pm

So £5mil is a start i suppose, but surely we can raise some selling the less wanted players.

Saiz-2-3mil (legalities permitting).
Ekuban-2mil
Sacko did ok in Turkey 1mil
Cibicki did ok in Sweden 500k-1mil
Connor Shockednessie-250k
Tyler Denton 250k
Sam Dalby 200k
Vurnon Anita 500k
Lewie Coyle £500k
De Bock 250-500k
O'Kane 250k
Ideguchi 300k
O'Connor 250k

Then imo i think Berardi will go to Brescia for maybe £1mil.

Even at the lower end of the estimates thats just under £9mil and the valuations dont seem unreasonable.

If we could get £3mil for Saiz instead of 2 that puts us at a nice round £10mil and probably £100k a week saved.

This should be our number 1 priority, some of them have a good pedigree even if they didnt show it for us like Anita, O'Kane, De Bock, surely we can raise some funds this way?

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Post by weasel » Fri May 31, 2019 9:09 pm

Ekuban - the deal looks closer to £1m. Sacko £1m - that won't happen. The likes of Denton, Anota, O'Kane will likely go for nowt. I think we'd have done amazing to get £5m.
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Re: 2019/20 Transfer Rumours & Discussion Thread

Post by Cjay » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:59 pm

2 new names to add to the list.

Swedish media report that we will have 2 scouts in Sweden today to watch Ostersunds with midfielder Hosam Aiesh and striker Dino Islamovic the two targets.

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