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The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:17 am
by Ellandback1
Good Morning Everyone

Patrick Bamford is set to return early from his cruciate knee ligament injury sustained in September.

The Yorkshire Evening Post are claiming that our Summer marquee signing is aiming to be fully fit and back in contention to play by “the end of the year, if not before”.

Can Bamford and Roofe play together?






Interesting stats of the Championship so far.


Completed passes

1 Swansea 541
2 Derby County 497
3 Norwich City 445
4 Aston Villa 434
5 Leeds United 431
6 WBA 397


Tackles

1 Sheffield Wednesday 30
2 Bolton Wanderers 22
3 QPR 21
4 Leeds United 20
5 Reading 19 = Hull City 19 = Rotherham United 19


Aerial success

1 Sheffield Wednesday 69%
2 Sheffield United 62% = Rotherham United 62% = Birmingham City 62%
5 Millwall 61%
6 WBA 59%


Passing accuracy

1 Aston Villa 85%
2 Swansea 84%
3 Derby County 83% = Norwich City 83%
5 Leeds United 78% = Stoke City 78%


Possession
1 Swansea 72%
2 Derby County 70%
3 Leeds United 67%
4 Brentford 62% = Stoke City 62%
6 Blackburn Rovers 61%


Shots on target (Ave)
1 Derby County 10 = Norwich City 10
3 Bristol City 7
4 Brentford 4 = Sheffield Wednesday 4 = Leeds United 4 = Middlesbrough 4 = Rotherham United 4


Shots
1 Bristol City 21
2 Derby County 18 = Brentford 18
4 Aston Villa 17
5 Sheffield Wednesday 16 = Norwich City 16

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:27 am
by HarryofOz
Hi EB

Stats pfffft :P

I don't know if Bamford and Roofe can work together, but I don't think that Bielsa will play the two of them together anyway. Maybe if we need goals late in a game, but I think Bielsa will continue to play with one man up front.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:30 am
by faaip
Agree with Harry, can they? - probably,.... will they ?- no

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:40 am
by gessa
Again, agree with above.

Most of those stats are very open to interpretation, like stats are generally.
I would imagine Reading topped the passing stat under Stam but 80% of those would have been across the back line. Only numbers that really count are points

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:45 am
by HarryofOz
gessa wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:40 am
Again, agree with above.

Most of those stats are very open to interpretation, like stats are generally.
I would imagine Reading topped the passing stat under Stam but 80% of those would have been across the back line. Only numbers that really count are points
I meant to give a similar example.

A number of years back, my team on the A-League - Sydney FC - were struggling and playing poorly. A journalist - obviously a fan or our coach - pointed out a stat about our passing accuracy, claiming that this proved what a 'good passing team' we were. But if you watched us play, almost invariably you'd see the back four and deep lying midfielders passing the ball amongst themselves a few times before hoofing the ball upfield, where sometimes we held on to possession and other times we didn't. All those little sideways passes made the stats look good though.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:48 am
by 1964white
Good morning Matt & everyone

Bielsa will stick to one striker up top

Will be a massive asset to have Bamford on the bench once he's fit again

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:54 am
by gessa
HarryofOz wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:45 am
I meant to give a similar example.

A number of years back, my team on the A-League - Sydney FC - were struggling and playing poorly. A journalist - obviously a fan or our coach - pointed out a stat about our passing accuracy, claiming that this proved what a 'good passing team' we were. But if you watched us play, almost invariably you'd see the back four and deep lying midfielders passing the ball amongst themselves a few times before hoofing the ball upfield, where sometimes we held on to possession and other times we didn't. All those little sideways passes made the stats look good though.

I ignored stats from years ago, when we played Middlesbrough, the next day the Sunday paper used the opta data stats in it's report, they had Batty as making 4 tackles, he made that many in the first 5 minutes.

That was the game Paul Ince found out what a real hard man was, snarling at the camara doesn't make you hard, pulling out of tackles with Batty after the first 2, showed he was all hype.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:58 am
by 1964white
They stats do show the teams who try to play football in the correct way

Notice Birmingham & Blackburn who beat us don't feature high in those stats, Boro' tend to grind out 0-0 draws as the smoggies bore the championship to death

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:11 am
by faaip
Stats are fine if they're done properly ...they currently aren't

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:28 am
by gessa
Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:48 am
by 1964white
gessa wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:28 am
Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination.
I use to keep stats on all the major horse races Ges

From a tipping/betting angle they are about as useful as the man in the moon :flog:

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:59 pm
by gessa
1964white wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:48 am
I use to keep stats on all the major horse races Ges

From a tipping/betting angle they are about as useful as the man in the moon :flog:
I can imagine mate.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:16 pm
by leic white 63
Ellandback1 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:17 am
Good Morning Everyone

Patrick Bamford is set to return early from his cruciate knee ligament injury sustained in September.

The Yorkshire Evening Post are claiming that our Summer marquee signing is aiming to be fully fit and back in contention to play by “the end of the year, if not before”.

Can Bamford and Roofe play together?






Interesting stats of the Championship so far.


Completed passes

1 Swansea 541
2 Derby County 497
3 Norwich City 445
4 Aston Villa 434
5 Leeds United 431
6 WBA 397


Tackles

1 Sheffield Wednesday 30
2 Bolton Wanderers 22
3 QPR 21
4 Leeds United 20
5 Reading 19 = Hull City 19 = Rotherham United 19


Aerial success

1 Sheffield Wednesday 69%
2 Sheffield United 62% = Rotherham United 62% = Birmingham City 62%
5 Millwall 61%
6 WBA 59%


Passing accuracy

1 Aston Villa 85%
2 Swansea 84%
3 Derby County 83% = Norwich City 83%
5 Leeds United 78% = Stoke City 78%


Possession
1 Swansea 72%
2 Derby County 70%
3 Leeds United 67%
4 Brentford 62% = Stoke City 62%
6 Blackburn Rovers 61%


Shots on target (Ave)
1 Derby County 10 = Norwich City 10
3 Bristol City 7
4 Brentford 4 = Sheffield Wednesday 4 = Leeds United 4 = Middlesbrough 4 = Rotherham United 4


Shots
1 Bristol City 21
2 Derby County 18 = Brentford 18
4 Aston Villa 17
5 Sheffield Wednesday 16 = Norwich City 16
more meaningless stats.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:22 pm
by Cjay
I like my stats :)

They can be useful.

Where you getting those stats from Ell? Look different to the ones i use. :duno:

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:36 pm
by leic white 63
Cjay wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:22 pm
I like my stats :)

They can be useful.

Where you getting those stats from Ell? Look different to the ones i use. :duno:
in what way ?
they are misleading , worthless and f**king boring.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:38 pm
by Cjay
leic white 63 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:36 pm
in what way ?
they are misleading , worthless and f**king boring.
Stats are great, ask Sir Neville of Gary. :)

Different to what I've seen.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:52 pm
by 1964white
Ellandback1 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:17 am
Completed passes

1 Swansea 541
2 Derby County 497
3 Norwich City 445
4 Aston Villa 434
5 Leeds United 431
6 WBA 397

Tackles

1 Sheffield Wednesday 30
2 Bolton Wanderers 22
3 QPR 21
4 Leeds United 20
5 Reading 19 = Hull City 19 = Rotherham United 19

Aerial success

1 Sheffield Wednesday 69%
2 Sheffield United 62% = Rotherham United 62% = Birmingham City 62%
5 Millwall 61%
6 WBA 59%

Passing accuracy

1 Aston Villa 85%
2 Swansea 84%
3 Derby County 83% = Norwich City 83%
5 Leeds United 78% = Stoke City 78%

Possession
1 Swansea 72%
2 Derby County 70%
3 Leeds United 67%
4 Brentford 62% = Stoke City 62%
6 Blackburn Rovers 61%


Shots on target (Ave)
1 Derby County 10 = Norwich City 10
3 Bristol City 7
4 Brentford 4 = Sheffield Wednesday 4 = Leeds United 4 = Middlesbrough 4 = Rotherham United 4

Shots
1 Bristol City 21
2 Derby County 18 = Brentford 18
4 Aston Villa 17
5 Sheffield Wednesday 16 = Norwich City 16
We are not top or second in any of those categories, in fact we don't feature in two of them :duno:

BUT

We're top of the league :roll:

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:56 pm
by leic white 63
Cjay wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:38 pm
Stats are great, ask Sir Neville of Gary. :)

Different to what I've seen.
no thanks .
each to their own fella.

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm
by 1964white
gessa wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:59 pm
I can imagine mate.
One significant stat is often broken, also those stats that do come up can apply to three or four at the head of the market

Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 9th Nov)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:30 pm
by leic white 63
1964white wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:52 pm
We are not top or second in any of those categories, in fact we don't feature in two of them :duno:

BUT

We're top of the league :roll:
exactly .
absolutely pointless .
i rest my case !