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3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by andrewjohnsmith » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:45 pm

I have to admit that I don't know much about this formation, but I'm assuming the middle 3 is actually RWB, DM, LWB - the other roles being fairly obvious.

That said I think it brings a new hope for guys like Anita and Dallas as WB's. On the other hand, it looks like bad news for our overload of midfielders and non-ball playing center backs.

At CB I see Cooper not fitting the bill. Could see Ayling moving to the middle. But we definitely need one more.

In Midfield we seem to have 5 guys (Forshaw, Viera, O'Kane, Philips, Klich) for one spot. Maybe Forshaw or someone could drop into a back 3. But we still seem to have 2 or 3 too many MC's.

In Attack - Hernandez and Saiz seem to fit the formation. The central striker role is obviously up for grabs. Not sure if Alioski is a fit up front. He might even find himself at wing back.

So maybe:
BPF - Ayling, Jansson, New Player - Dallas, Forshaw, Alioski - Hernandez - Saiz, New Player, New Player
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by faaip » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:29 pm

Looks a nasty and easy to beat formation to me, is it a glorified 541?
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by andrewjohnsmith » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:55 pm

faaip wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:29 pm
Looks a nasty and easy to beat formation to me, is it a glorified 541?
I'm assuming it's wing backs. That could translate to 5-2-3
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by faaip » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:54 pm

Ayling/Pearce wing backs, Don't think Ayling could play in a defensive 3 very well. Beradi probably could may suit him more. Going to need a ball playing sweeper, probably a new guy in.

Saiz or Hernandez in the maestro position, preferably Hernandez. Roofe and Alioski could play the wings. Both equally talented imo.

Klich Vierra centre mid, Forshaw as cover or new guy and Klich goes back to Holland.

Pair of new forwards needed
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by Richard » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 am

Ayling started his career as a CB so I’d have thought Ayling in the back three as well as Berardi as things stand. When I watched a video of this Bielsa formation it was more about what he expects from the players than the formation.

Without the ball he expects every player to press super hard, no exceptions, with the ball fast pace attacking and he does switch to 4-2-3-1

Link to a good explanatory video

https://youtu.be/wDRVk4qvDX0

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Post by 1964white » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:23 am

Richard wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 am
Ayling started his career as a CB so I’d have thought Ayling in the back three as well as Berardi as things stand. When I watched a video of this Bielsa formation it was more about what he expects from the players than the formation.

Without the ball he expects every player to press super hard, no exceptions, with the ball fast pace attacking and he does switch to 4-2-3-1

Link to a good explanatory video

https://youtu.be/wDRVk4qvDX0
Ayling is one of few players in our current squad with an abundance of energy which is what will be required in Bielsa's formation & style of play. Ayling won't be going all soft & wimpy asking his coach "can I come off boss as I'm tired" :roll:

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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by Richard » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:41 am

1964white wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:23 am
Ayling is one of few players in our current squad with an abundance of energy which is what will be required in Bielsa's formation & style of play. Ayling won't be going all soft & wimpy asking his coach "can I come off boss as I'm tired" :roll:
Based solely on Bielsa style of play, Berardi, Ayling and Dallas are starters. Saiz and Pablo will have to rotate the 10 spot, although I personally like Alioski he will need to up his physical game, he can’t afford to role around on the ground.

I’m looking forward to seeing the first couple of signings through the door, we’re going to need a new keeper, an experienced one happy with ball to feet playing a simple link up passing game at the back, there won’t be many long kicks out.

One of the most important players is going to be the central CB, we just can’t start the season with Cooper playing in that position.

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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by 1964white » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:23 am

Richard wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:41 am
Based solely on Bielsa style of play, Berardi, Ayling and Dallas are starters. Saiz and Pablo will have to rotate the 10 spot, although I personally like Alioski he will need to up his physical game, he can’t afford to role around on the ground.

I’m looking forward to seeing the first couple of signings through the door, we’re going to need a new keeper, an experienced one happy with ball to feet playing a simple link up passing game at the back, there won’t be many long kicks out.

One of the most important players is going to be the central CB, we just can’t start the season with Cooper playing in that position.
I'll be surprised if Berardi, Cooper, Alioski or Dallas are regular starters in Bielsa's XI.

Always said we'll never be successful with Cooper in our team, he is lower championship/L1 centre-back

Berardi needs to find his old form, can't see where he will fit in tbh as I think Ayling & Coyle could be in front of Gaetano come the new season

Alioski & Dallas are triers but not good enough imo !

Saiz also needs to shape up & owes our fans favours big-time

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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by faaip » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:01 am

Beradi could be the right sided defender, he's very comfortable on the ball and decent passer
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by Richard » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:30 pm

faaip wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:01 am
Beradi could be the right sided defender, he's very comfortable on the ball and decent passer
I think left sided and Ayling right. The video clip detailing Bielsa style of play means the defensive trio are only expected to perform short ball passing, they are not expected to hit a 30-40 yard pass. Berardi was exposed too much last season, if those in front of him do their job I think he still has something to offer.

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Post by paddy parrott » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:40 pm

The discipline really must be also a priority, we have to improve this aspect of not been caught with stupid suspensions year on year

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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by 1964white » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:42 pm

I still think at least half of the players we are discussing won't feature in Bielsa's First XI

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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by Ratscoot » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:59 am

Whoever plays had got to be super fit and prepared to give their all, can’t see any player staying on the pitch long if they are strolling about, like many of our players last season.

Couple of current players who may benefit from the new style of play (if they stay) Roofe and Ekuban both fast and full of energy
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Re: 3-3-1-3 Squad Needs

Post by radebe88 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:56 pm

For me these are the gaps that need filling a lot!

GK (Gap)
Ayling Jansson Gap
Gap Forshaw Alioski
Saiz
Gap Gap Pablo

Squad players
BFP
Coyle
Vieira
Klich

Loan Out (haven’t had a fair crack)
Grot
ideguxhi
Roberts


The rest can leave and I wouldn’t be bothered As you can tell I’m really pleased with the current squad :roflmao:

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