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The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Ellandback1 » Fri May 25, 2018 7:04 am

Good Morning Everyone

Wes Ham look set to transfer list wantaway striker Jordan Hugill.

The former Preston front man was a long term target for Leeds in previous seasons.

West Ham finally won the rece to sign the 25 yo in the January transfer window for 10m.

Perhaps a 5m offer would tempt the Hammers to sell him?

Thoughts?




Leeds MD Angus Kinnear has been talking to Talk Sport about thjeir Summer plans :-

"Our scouting network, like most good teams, is now global. You have to look at the global marketplace,”

"Last year we were clear in the areas where we came up short, there’s definitely a need for players who have been proven in the league or proven in the UK.

“And so we’re looking near and we’re looking far to secure the best talent.”

"It’s a meaningful sum. It will definitely make us more competitive this summer, without a doubt.

“And I think it will bring the type of players that Leeds fans want and believe will make a difference in terms of mounting a sustained promotion challenge."

Asked if the investment would only be spent on the first team squad, Kinnear said: “Absolutely. That was core to the deal.




James Milner has been speaking to the press about his fondness of Leeds :-

“Growing up a Leeds fan, I was never allowed to wear a red T-shirt, my old man never allowed it. Seriously. ‘We can’t wear red. We’re Leeds,’

“It was strange when I signed for Liverpool, actually wearing red. My dad made a joke about it, saying, ‘That’s the first time I’ve seen you in red.’ I still follow Leeds and want them to do well and still have that same feeling towards Manchester United.”



Who's your favourite Elland Road hard man?

Put them in order.

Who have I missed out?

Batty

Billy

Hilaire

Joe Jordan

Blake

Hunter

Vinnie

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 7:09 am

Ellandback1 wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:04 am
Who's your favourite Elland Road hard man?

Put them in order.

Who have I missed out?

Batty

Billy

Hilaire

Joe Jordan

Blake

Hunter

Vinnie
Good morning Matt

Giles was hard even though he is known for his wonderful passing & goals

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 am

Bremner
Giles
Hunter
Batty
Jones

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 am

Would love it if James Milner finished his career at his beloved club

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 7:27 am

Hugill is yet another overrated player who thinks he is good enough for the premiership

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by danhirons » Fri May 25, 2018 7:35 am

Got a friend who's a Preston fan - couldn't believe West Ham spent 10 million on him. Was a crazy buy, they've given him about 20 mins of football!

But he says he's hardworking and that's about it, not worth anywhere near 5 million, let alone 10.

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Ellandback1 » Fri May 25, 2018 8:03 am

1964white wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 am
Bremner
Giles
Hunter
Batty
Jones
Morning Leon.

Wow, Bremner was harder than Hunter!!!

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 9:26 am

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Fri May 25, 2018 8:03 am
Morning Leon.

Wow, Bremner was harder than Hunter!!!
Billy was as hard as nails, never flinched a tackle like our current lot do, he would fight with the best of them even though they were bigger than him, the likes of Harris, Mackay, Smith, Storey, etc knew they had been in a physical battle when confronted with Billy.
Bremner also had eyes in the back of head, he was aware of everything around him, a true leader & captain. Billy was so influential, scored many important goals for Leeds & his unique side pass with the heel of his boot was a joy to be seen :love:

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Cjay » Fri May 25, 2018 9:37 am

Never rated Hugil . . Only player out of that list i saw play was Batty.

Here's a strange one
http://sportwitness.co.uk/italy-leeds-u ... i-manager/

Lee Sobot looking into it apparently.

Very odd rumour to make up though.

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Ellandback1 » Fri May 25, 2018 9:52 am

Cjay wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:37 am
Never rated Hugil . . Only player out of that list i saw play was Batty.

Here's a strange one
http://sportwitness.co.uk/italy-leeds-u ... i-manager/

Lee Sobot looking into it apparently.

Very odd rumour to make up though.
Morning Cjay,

Inzaghi - that is a strange one...

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 9:52 am

Cjay wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:37 am
Never rated Hugil . . Only player out of that list i saw play was Batty.

Here's a strange one
http://sportwitness.co.uk/italy-leeds-u ... i-manager/

Lee Sobot looking into it apparently.

Very odd rumour to make up though.
Probably just speculation Cjay

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Cjay » Fri May 25, 2018 10:11 am

Ellandback1 wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:52 am
Morning Cjay,

Inzaghi - that is a strange one...
Morning Ell.

Scored 3 in Pirlo's testimonial the other day.

44 and still better then all our strikers? :lol:

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Cjay » Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am

1964white wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:52 am
Probably just speculation Cjay
Probably, just a really random thing for an Italian paper to imagine up.

He does know Radz though, not saying anymore in it then that, but they are associated.

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

Cjay wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am
Probably, just a really random thing for an Italian paper to imagine up.

He does know Radz though, not saying anymore in it then that, but they are associated.
The Italian connection :tup:

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Cjay » Fri May 25, 2018 10:57 am

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9180814


Shame, loved Football Italia as a kid :)

More depressed Heckingbottom seems to be the luckiest man in football,

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by 1964white » Fri May 25, 2018 11:01 am

Leeds owner Radrizzani's company sells £33m shares

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/939465550?-11130:816

Is this true?

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by lufc1304 » Fri May 25, 2018 12:17 pm

Cjay wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:57 am
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9180814


Shame, loved Football Italia as a kid :)

More depressed Heckingbottom seems to be the luckiest man in football,
This, can't believe that clown still has the job. The optimist in me is hoping it's only because we haven't found a suitable replacement yet *offers prayers to the football gods*
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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Ellandback1 » Fri May 25, 2018 12:20 pm

Lovely piece on Vince Hilaire's time at Leeds...



You would struggle to find a more engaging bloke in football than former Leeds United winger Vince Hilaire.

Opinionated, funny and enlightening, Hilaire – who currently combines work as a radio pundit alongside match-day hospitality duties at former club Portsmouth – possesses a veritable wealth of stories from his playing days that would soon have you smiling. It’s perhaps not too suprising given that he was the practical joker in many a dressing room during his career.

The Londoner may have decamped some way off his ‘manor’ when he joined United in what proved to be a brief spell, from 1988 to 1990, but he soon ingratiated his way into the affections of team-mates ‘up north’ in trademark fashion.

And he confesses today that their friendship and the strong sense of camaraderie kept him sane during a bittersweet spell – on the pitch at least – at Elland Road. A key member of the Pompey side which won promotion to the old first division in 1986-87, Hilaire – a tricky, off-the-cuff winger who cost £190,000 when he joined United in June 1988 – made a fleeting impact in West Yorkshire.

The axing of the man who signed him, Billy Bremner, and the ushering in of his replacement Howard Wilkinson, had major implications for the popular wide man.

Hilaire, despite being a regular in his first full season, found himself marginalised throughout the Division Two title-winning season of 1989-90 and though angry at the time he accepts with the benefit of hindsight he didn’t always help his own cause.

Though thankfully his memories of his time at Leeds are largely happy ones, having been privileged to work, however briefly, under one of his idols, there’s a tinge of regret.

Hilaire, a member of Crystal Palace’s infamous ‘team of the Eighties’ line-up in his formative footballing years, said: “I was a bit sorry about my time at Leeds. “But the one thing I can look back on in my footballing career is that I was signed by two people I idolised – and I mean idolised – as players, in Alan Ball at Fratton Park and Billy Bremner.

“Only by meeting and spending time with them did you realise how similar they were in terms of their outlook on life and football. “Straight away when Billy was interested in taking me to Leeds it was a big pick-me-up. “There was no-one more sorry than me when in that October (1988), the club decided to part company with Billy.

It was such a shame as I’d have liked to have worked longer under him. “Howard came in and in my first season, funnily enough, I only missed a couple of games. But it was very difficult playing for Howard; he had his own ideas on how he wanted football played. To be fair to him, I wish the ideas he tried to introduce had been when I was a little bit younger. “His ideas were what modern-day footballers take on board now.

Unfortunately, when you are in your mid to late twenties, the damage has been done and you don’t change and it’s difficult. “I left Leeds and I put a lot of the blame on the latter part of my footballing side there on Howard, it’s what you do as a footballer. But, looking back on it, there was no blame attached to him at all; it was all down to me. I didn’t realise until I left what a clever man and very good coach he was.”

Hilaire’s sense of professional disappointment was tempered by positive recollections of his time living in Yorkshire, where he enjoyed the company of a group of “hospitable” colleagues, while also lining up alongside some bona fide stars of the game – young and old. A joke or two was, invariably, never far away in his case, and the craic in a strong dressing room – where the banter was top-class – kept his spirits up during his time on the fringes at LS11.

Hilaire, who had loan spells at Charlton Athletic and Stoke City in 1989-90 before eventually joining the Potters on a free transfer in November 1990, said: “I used to travel to training with Micky Adams and Neil Aspin and they were nice people, as they all were at Leeds. I think I would have gone mad if they weren’t so hospitable! “I was the practical joker even when I wasn’t in the team.

I’d always try my jokes out on Snod (Glynn Snodin) and Gary Speed as they would laugh at anything. I used them as my guinea pigs! “Simon (Grayson) is another great bloke and he never took my advice as he’s moved onto great things in the game! I did my best to show him the ‘evil’ way and he took no notice of me. I used to say: ‘Stick with me and you won’t go far wrong.’ He’s now still well in the game and I’m on the fringes of it. Him and Mick Whitlow never used to listen to me!”

Hilaire, a lifelong West Ham fan, added: “It was hard not being in the team under Howard but, looking back, I wouldn’t have swapped my time there for anything. I was lucky enough to play with some great players. “Gordon Strachan came halfway through the (88-89) season and it was a privilege playing with him and also to see the emergence of Gary Speed – God rest his soul – and David Batty.

“The Gary Speed situation brought home a lot of memories. I’m based in Portsmouth and the London area now and I tell them you often only hear when someone passes away how nice someone was. But having known the man at length, he really was as nice as people have said. It’s really sad and I’ve got some great tales of him.

“The people I spent most of my time with off the field were Gary, David Batty and John Sheridan. I loved John, he was the best passer I ever played with – a magnificent player who had a certain way and character, which can make it difficult (with some managers). “With Gary and David being that much younger it was easier to implement ideas with them, whereas with me being longer in the tooth and John being the way that he was, it was a bit difficult (under Wilkinson).”

Hilaire hung up his boots in the mid-90s after winding down his career in the non-league with Waterlooville and then Bognor Regis. But now he gets his footballing fix in the media, with his portfolio including working for Sky and the BBC, along with commercial radio stations in the south. Never short of a word or three about football, his enthusiasm for the greatest game hasn’t been diminished since he grew up as avid Hammers fan in his native East London, Hilaire cherishes his time on the airwaves and clearly relishes holding court on match-day duty at Pompey.

Being the student of the game that he is, Hilaire, now 52, remains genuinely proud to him represented one of the game’s leading institutions in Leeds United. He said: “Since retiring, the Leeds fans will be pleased to know I’ve watched nearly 1,000 games – and I’ve been the best player all the time! I should have retired earlier! “Where football is concerned, I always, always take the plus side out of it.

If you are too negative, you put a downer on things. It’s the greatest game in the world, it gave me a great career and I’ve met so many lovely people. I’m privileged to still be a small cog in it, I’m hanging on in there. “I really love the radio work and also do the hospitality at Portsmouth as they think I can talk a little bit! “Anyone will tell you I’m a bit of a football anorak and I could have recited, from about 1968, most of the players who have pulled on a Leeds United shirt.

It’s just unfortunate even to this day – and a lot is due to Don Revie being someone the southern media diddn’t warm to – that not enough credit was given to a lot of players who were all brilliant footballers, and I mean brilliant – forget about everything else. “It’s easy to see why I was just so privileged to play for Leeds and under Billy.

In my second training session, I was being put up at the Hilton in Leeds and remember going back and thinking: ‘Do you know what, the best passer in our session today was Billy Bremner with Norman Hunter not far behind’. “Mind I do remember Glynn saying to me: ‘Watch Norman’, who was the assistant-manager, in the five-a-sides. He never gave the ball away, but just went around booting everyone! “I remember Ian Baird saying to me more than once: ‘Did you see Norman try and top me there – and we’ve got a game on Saturday!’”

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by Cjay » Fri May 25, 2018 12:58 pm

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This, can't believe that clown still has the job. The optimist in me is hoping it's only because we haven't found a suitable replacement yet *offers prayers to the football gods*
I'm convinced he is the luckiest man in football.

1st job- Barnsley had won 6 in a row before he took over. Plus already in a cup final.

They continued winning under him for a spell, momentum.

2 wins in 23, most managers get the sack, he got a new contract

Then gets a pay rise at a bigger club, loses 50% of his games, wins 4 in 16, and he still hasnt been sacked.

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Re: The LUFC Breakfast Debate (Fri 25 May)

Post by lufc1304 » Fri May 25, 2018 1:33 pm

Cjay wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 12:58 pm
I'm convinced he is the luckiest man in football.

1st job- Barnsley had won 6 in a row before he took over. Plus already in a cup final.

They continued winning under him for a spell, momentum.

2 wins in 23, most managers get the sack, he got a new contract

Then gets a pay rise at a bigger club, loses 50% of his games, wins 4 in 16, and he still hasnt been sacked.
Cjay, if there's any justice in the world, that luck will run out soon. Hopefully by the end of the month!!!
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