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Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by Clive » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:42 am

For all the hysteria and people calling him the worst keeper they've ever seen, is Felix Wieldwald actually a key player for us, are we much better with him?

The stats would suggest so.

We've had 10 games without him in which we won 2, drew 1 and lost 7, with just 1 clean sheet.

In the 28 games with him we won 12, drew 7 and lost 9, with 12 clean sheets.

Has our extensive Sky coverage highlighted his mistakes and made too much of an issue out of them, costing us an important player?

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by hector » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:55 am

No
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by Ratscoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:00 am

For the opposition yes
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by radebe88 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:08 am

Clive wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:42 am
For all the hysteria and people calling him the worst keeper they've ever seen, is Felix Wieldwald actually a key player for us, are we much better with him?

The stats would suggest so.

We've had 10 games without him in which we won 2, drew 1 and lost 7, with just 1 clean sheet.

In the 28 games with him we won 12, drew 7 and lost 9, with 12 clean sheets.

Has our extensive Sky coverage highlighted his mistakes and made too much of an issue out of them, costing us an important player?
My opinion is that although he has made mistakes on occasions he isn’t half as bad as people make out. The Boro game was a prime example as he took loads of stick for the one that went under him but that happens to even the top keepers, look at Courtois the other night.

He certainly has communication issues more than anything else and I think a lot of that is down to confidence issues from the mistakes and our own fans jeering him.

I also think all the praise for BPF has been ridiculous. The lad has done ok don’t get me wrong but he has also conceeded 8 goals in three games and most of his saves have been routine. If he does make a mistake before the end of the season I doubt everyone in the stadium will be cheering every time he catches it too

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by faaip » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:55 am

Needs a complete re-training. Learn how to catch, how to organise a defence, and work on his positioning. Also needs to get braver, seems to flinch too easily.

Maybe then in a season or two but can we wait.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by faaip » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:58 am

Weidwald v BPF

Catching and coming for crosses - 3-7
Shot stopping - 5-7
Communication - 4-7
Reactions - 5-8
Distribution - 7-6
Clearances under pressure - 5-8
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by danhirons » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:13 pm

faaip wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:58 am
Weidwald v BPF

Catching and coming for crosses - 3-7
Shot stopping - 5-7
Communication - 4-7
Reactions - 5-8
Distribution - 7-6
Clearances under pressure - 5-8
Judged on two games from BPF and generalized...

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by lufc1304 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:35 pm

He's not as bad as he's been painted, but neither is he good enough for a team with promotion ambitions. With a year's experience of the Championship, he might come good, but can we afford to wait for that to happen?
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by Gino 1959 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:47 pm

He is a prat in a key position.

Behind a rubbish defence.

If Celtic did not have a more than decent keeper behind a dodgy defence, then, they would be in big trouble.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by faaip » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:51 pm

danhirons wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:13 pm
Judged on two games from BPF and generalized...
But I've seen enough of Weidwald to at least have that side right, as it stands. Wiedwald may well become a good player but he's behind BPF in development it seems
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by lufc1304 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:54 pm

Gino 1959 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:47 pm
He is a prat in a key position.

Behind a rubbish defence.

If Celtic did not have a more than decent keeper behind a dodgy defence, then, they would be in big trouble.
Part of the problem with the defence is that it hasn't been settled for any substantial part of the season. The entire back 5 need to be comfortable with each others' game and build an understanding. When the personnel are changing constantly, that doesn't happen. I think if Felix had a set, he could be a decent keeper. But, for me, he lacks bottle and is afraid of getting hurt. Can you coach that into him? Not sure
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by fred » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:40 pm

Key player? Lock the door behind you when leaving...being a nice guy not good enough.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by fred » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:42 pm

faaip wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:55 am
Needs a complete re-training.
That`s the worst possible situation...doubt he`ll ever become a good keeper.

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by Richard » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:18 pm

He tries to punch when he should catch and he flaps at crosses, he puts the defence on edge and they don't trust him. In his favour his throw outs and kicks are amongst the best I have seen from a Leeds keeper for a long long time. Last years defence in front of him and he would have looked better than he is. I prefer him over Lonergan, we are missing his distribution from the back but you can't pick a keeper who makes so many mistakes, the opposition know how weak he is at crosses and they just pepper us when he is between the sticks.

Felix, Lonergan, PBF - If any of those three are starting in goal next season then we are not aiming for top 6 and the money has dried up.

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by weasel » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:15 pm

I definitely don't think he is bad as people make out but equally he is not good enough at the basics that you need in English football. No real sign of any improvements over the season so no real suggestion that he can get better at the aspects of his game he is weak on. Definitely there is the need for a new no1 next season although happy to see BPF given the rest of the season so that we can form a clearer opinion of him.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by Gino 1959 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:24 pm

lufc1304 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:54 pm
But, for me, he lacks bottle and is afraid of getting hurt. Can you coach that into him? Not sure
I think he's from the German equivalent of Lisburn so no.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by dezzy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:58 pm

A key player?! I don’t care if the guy is Messi with his feet, he is seriously lacking in some key goalkeeping skills. He clearly has ability but since heck came in his confidence dropped like a rock and is nothing more than a liability.
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by faaip » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:36 pm

I'm not sure what abilities he clearly has, he doesn't even look much of a shot stopper. BPF is only an inch taller but he looks massive compared to Weidwald. Optical illusion or does Weidwald make himself smaller ?
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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by 1964white » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:54 pm

If we go into next season with either Felix/BPF/Lonergan as our first choice keeper it will just go to show the ambition of our owners

Prepare yourselves for a relegation battle :(

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Re: Is Wiedwald a Key Player?

Post by lufc1304 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:04 pm

Gino 1959 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:24 pm
I think he's from the German equivalent of Lisburn so no.
Very droll, Gino, i've missed that rapier-like wit
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