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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Clacton White » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:02 pm

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:45 pm
Twitter is going nuts over his "come as a complete surprise to everyone" comment.

He should have said something like "i understand results havent been good enought but etc etc work hard etc etc blah blah".

But to dismiss it in that manner, not showing a hint of humility, he is gone in the summer at the latest, absolutely no doubt, Radz is all about PR, this man isnt likeable.
Cellino would have got shot of PH about 4 games ago . He had his good points .

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Dalton » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:43 pm

Correct me if i am wrong but didnt they buy out PH's contract at Barnsley for a small fortune even though his recent league record was poor etc?
He obviously had an interview which I assume he came out with all the annoying soundbites mentioned by the other posters to impress the owners
They obviously can't see or smell through bullsh1t when it is being thrown at them
My my my, such a lot of guns around town and so few brains

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by lufc1304 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:59 pm

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I honestly do not care at the moment until this joke of a manager is out....never warmed to him...Evans and Hockaday had more personlity....sweet Jaysus...even Darko Milanič !!!
I hear ya, mate, I haven't listened to, or watched, a game since he took charge. I love this club but I hate what we're currently being subjected to
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by danhirons » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:42 pm

lufc1304 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:59 pm
I hear ya, mate, I haven't listened to, or watched, a game since he took charge. I love this club but I hate what we're currently being subjected to
How can you hate something you haven't seen at all??!

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by faaip » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Obviously my post got lost somewhere

I'd never not watch just because I didn't like the manager or else I'd have missed all the BMC games and not seen the first 30 of this season.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by rab_rant » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:41 pm

I listen to Noel Whelan on the internet radio. I know I am going to hate what I am going to hear
because I know it will be bad. It is like being a onlooker at a car crash. You know nothing
good is going to come of it, yet there is a morbid hope and something good can be salvaged from it.

Since Christmas for God knows how many years now there is the inevitable collapse. It is a case
of history repeating itself. I have always hoped that there would be a big change and things would
be different, but the same patterns keep on repeating themselves, and this year for the first time
there is a numbness creeping in, and I have become inured to failure. I have become accustomed
the the unpleasantness of continuous defeat. Now I am comfortably numb.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 1964white » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:03 pm

rab_rant wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:41 pm
I listen to Noel Whelan on the internet radio. I know I am going to hate what I am going to hear
because I know it will be bad. It is like being a onlooker at a car crash. You know nothing
good is going to come of it, yet there is a morbid hope and something good can be salvaged from it.

Since Christmas for God knows how many years now there is the inevitable collapse. It is a case
of history repeating itself. I have always hoped that there would be a big change and things would
be different, but the same patterns keep on repeating themselves, and this year for the first time
there is a numbness creeping in, and I have become inured to failure. I have become accustomed
the the unpleasantness of continuous defeat. Now I am comfortably numb.
I know that numbness feeling Rab

I've felt numb at games for many years now with my expectations at a very low ebb. You could say all the enthusiasm has been drummed out of me, no doubt I'll be in 'comfortably numb mode' tomorrow night at Villa :(

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by 1964white » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:49 pm

Today's Press Conference

Phil Hay:

Injury latest ahead of Villa - none of the absent crop likely to return tomorrow. Jansson expected to miss out but should be back for the Barnsley game.

PH: "The word is frustrating. You get wound up by the results and things not going our way. But we have to make them go our way."

Heckingbottom said the protocol surrounding head injuries will stop Jansson playing, even if he felt he was fit.

Heckingbottom saying he'll have a hands-on roll in recruitment this summer. Admitted that a lot of work is needed on the squad

Heckingbottom says he wants the players to feel a "touch of jealousy" when they see what Villa are playing for

Heckingbottom said the speculation about his job yesterday was "a surprise to everyone". Said he's no reason not to think he'll be here at the start of next season

On Victor Orta and criticism of him, Heckingbottom said he thinks the transfer set-up here is healthy. "I don't know what went on before. But when the summer starts, we'll be judged on what happens

Heckingbottom says he believes Jansson was genuinely injured on Tuesday. Says Alex Neil's comments were purely down to the fact that he was defending the decision to allow the goal. Said Neil specifically asked about Jansson's condition after the game.

Heckingbottom has given through to recalling Liam Kitching (CB) from Harrogate Town but he's got a minor injury.

Heckingbottom described this 12-game spell as "horrific" and "horrible". Would he have expected to pick up more points? "Too right."

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by radebe88 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:56 pm

He comments about being in control of transfers in the summer and being surprised about talk of him losing his job really has me worried.

I actually hope we lose our remaining games miserably so that Radz understands how inept he is.

Never felt so little optimism as a Leeds fan

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by lufc1304 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm

danhirons wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:42 pm
How can you hate something you haven't seen at all??!
I can read, Dan! The appointment of Arse just felt like a huge backward step. to be accurate, I saw/listened to his first couple of games, read the comments from those on here who attend or watch/listen to streams and saw nothing that made me feel like giving up any more of my time to simply be frustrated and angry.The initial optimism at the start of the season has given way to indifference for me. If that makes me less of a fan, so be it, but I've been a fan for almost 45 years and that won't change. But the current set-up stinks, so I'm disinclined to invest time or effort until Radz wises the f**k up.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:22 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeedsUnitedY ... 8776304641

This clip sums him up.

Smug, negative, arrogant twat

"Over achieve next season"
"We had a slim chance of the playoffs when i arrived".

Just fook off, really shouldn't watch his interviews anymore he winds me right up.

7 points 16 games you clueless pillock!!! Thats not slim!!!!
Preston are 5 points off with 4 games to go!!!

Whats this constant over achieving nonsense he keeps coming out with.

Every opportunity he gets he says that about next season.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by radebe88 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:23 pm

Cjay wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:22 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeedsUnitedY ... 8776304641

This clip sums him up.

Smug, negative, arrogant twat

"Over achieve next season"
"We had a slim chance of the playoffs when i arrived".

Just fook off, really shouldn't watch his interviews anymore he winds me right up.

7 points 16 games you clueless pillock!!! Thats not slim!!!!
Preston are 5 points off with 4 games to go!!!

Whats this constant over achieving nonsense he keeps coming out with.

Every opportunity he gets he says that about next season.
It’s exhausting now Cjay. How on earth has he managed to pull the wool over peoples eyes

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Clive » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:33 pm

“I came in here in February with slim hopes of the play-offs and we were chasing that down. That was the first goal - let’s not let this season die out quickly - but it did die out quickly so we were straight onto the second phase of what we wanted to do, which was to start looking at players and getting our plans laid down for next season."

“We’re going to have to work hard because we’ve seen the calibre of players who are in this league, the calibre of clubs. But it doesn’t mean we can’t do it if we’re all on the same page, over-achieving and building a hungry, competitive squad. “That’s the stage where we’re at now. Make no mistake about it, it’s all going to be on results next season, without a doubt. That’s what we should be judged on.”

He says there were slim hopes of the play-offs, yet we were a point behind Middlesbrough and Millwall were 15th and 6 points behind us when he took over.

He says those hopes died out quickly, but what does he consider quickly? We were still above Millwall after the Middlesbrough game which was his 5th game in charge.

When did he start on this second phase and what exactly are we supposed to be seeing that will stand us in good stead for next season?

He shouldn't even have been entertaining the idea of missing out on the play-offs until it was impossible. It sounds as though he'd already written them off when he came in.

I hate all the talk of over-achieving, Grayson used to say it all the time, too. If by doing well you're over-achieving then the bar is set pretty low and you have to be in relegation trouble before you're under-achieving.

McDermott used to talk about next season, and how he was building for the future, and how good it would be. Anyone can say that, you have to show something in the here and now.

Radrizzani said he appointed him to get us in the top 6 this season, not only has he failed miserably at that, he's playing down our chances of doing it next season, too.

What a pathetic loser!

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by rab_rant » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:51 am

Cjay wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:22 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeedsUnitedY ... 8776304641

This clip sums him up.
Smug, negative, arrogant twat
Not to belabour a point but instead of listening to him I just watch his interviews.
During this one he sat the whole time with his arms crossed over his chest
in a very defensive position. Poor guy, I can only imagine the inner turmoil.
Good on Phil Hay for asking the hard questions.

He needed to be asked
"Do you think a manager who has 2 wins since Christmas and is second from
bottom in the managerial stakes with only a 12% success rate is a suitable manager
to be in charge of Leeds United?


I think he just might explode trying to answer that.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by weasel » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:54 am

1964white wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:49 pm
Today's Press Conference
Heckingbottom says he wants the players to feel a "touch of jealousy" when they see what Villa are playing for
Or perhaps if they can remember just 2 months back to the time before PH was appointed and we were still in with a chance of making the play-offs.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by fred » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:02 pm

Clive wrote:

He says there were slim hopes of the play-offs, yet we were a point behind Middlesbrough and Millwall were 15th and 6 points behind us when he took over.
Taking into account our run of results when he came in it was just being realistic. Whoever thought we had a real chance of reaching the play-offs must have been dreaming.

He says those hopes died out quickly, but what does he consider quickly? We were still above Millwall after the Middlesbrough game which was his 5th game in charge.
When did he start on this second phase and what exactly are we supposed to be seeing that will stand us in good stead for next season?
Testing some of the youngsters. BPF has proven that he can be a good 2nd keeper. Learning what players are all about takes time, thaat`s normal I guess. Of course hopes died quickly with us playing quite terrible and seeing other teams gathering momentum.

He shouldn't even have been entertaining the idea of missing out on the play-offs until it was impossible. It sounds as though he'd already written them off when he came in.
LOL, now that is simply idiotic to say. He isn`t a fan, but a coach who is probably able to evaluate what the squad with many missing players is capable of. I said it then that our chances had gone (5 games earlier!...after losing valuable points against average teams...the red card for Saiz was the nail in the coffin for me.) and the chance of it developing differently was maybe 5% and would have been like a magical change of our abilities.

I hate all the talk of over-achieving, Grayson used to say it all the time, too. If by doing well you're over-achieving then the bar is set pretty low and you have to be in relegation trouble before you're under-achieving.
Let`s not Forget, that those two runs without defeat were also down to a large portion of luck. Things could have hardly gone better for us in those games. We were overachieving at those times, simply because we weren`t as good as the results suggest. The bad runs were down to some bad luck also to be fair: injuries, red cards, decisions in games going against us. So I guess we have overachieved and underachieved, all in all probably a fair reflection of what we`re worth.

McDermott used to talk about next season, and how he was building for the future, and how good it would be. Anyone can say that, you have to show something in the here and now.
So you want a coach to say what he doesn`t believe in? Him saying our chances were slim was spot on (maybe a bit too optimistic!), and he has thereby proven of being able to evaluate chances realistically. But I guess you are thinking of selffullfilling prophecies.

Radrizzani said he appointed him to get us in the top 6 this season, not only has he failed miserably at that, he's playing down our chances of doing it next season, too.
He was stupid to sack TC if his aim was a magic change of the squads potential by getting a new coach in...anyone would have been good enough I guess. Silly to say such things either way, as Monk used to say: `Game by game, and the rest takes care of itself.`
What a pathetic loser!
What a rediculously naiv daydreamer! (But I must admit that I can`t warm to Heckingbottom either at the present Moment. He Comes across of being so lame, almost not really interested, can`t see the fire in him...but time will tell if that is a superficial impression or not. And I believe a coach can be realistic and remain motivated at the same time.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Ronan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:45 pm

God forgive me...but I want us to lose so we can finally get rid of this joker.
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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:57 pm

radebe88 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:23 pm
It’s exhausting now Cjay. How on earth has he managed to pull the wool over peoples eyes
Because he talks about "passion" and "fighting for 2nd balls" .

Old fashioned manager talk, same as Mick McCarthy and the like.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by Cjay » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:59 pm

rab_rant wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:51 am
Not to belabour a point but instead of listening to him I just watch his interviews.
During this one he sat the whole time with his arms crossed over his chest
in a very defensive position. Poor guy, I can only imagine the inner turmoil.
Good on Phil Hay for asking the hard questions.

He needed to be asked
"Do you think a manager who has 2 wins since Christmas and is second from
bottom in the managerial stakes with only a 12% success rate is a suitable manager
to be in charge of Leeds United?


I think he just might explode trying to answer that.
Agree his body language is negative.

He always has his arms folded even on the touchline.

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Re: Paul Heckingbottom

Post by fred » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:55 pm

Cjay wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:57 pm
Because he talks about "passion" and "fighting for 2nd balls" .

Old fashioned manager talk, same as Mick McCarthy and the like.
So we might as well keep him, or do you see any proven coach appearing on the horizon? Well, who knows, but glad not all are going for Mick McCartneys 19th century approach.
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