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What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by 1964white » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:32 am

I'm hoping he makes us :

More competitive.
Instils a winning mentality
Better attitude
Improves our disciplinary record

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by HarryofOz » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:37 am

Promotion
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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by liggy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:50 am

Finish above Barnsley

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 am

Has to be promotion but I'll give him next season too. For this season I'd like to see

1 Us not get outplayed most games and play from minute 1 not from minute 45

2 Play the best players, figure it out and get the right players playing in the right positions

3 Affect an improvement in league position

PH himself needs to

Get a good look at the U23's and evaluate the talent, We've put a lot of eggs in that basket

Set up his back room staff with some decent talent ..like Monk did (No Beattie No Wood 30 goal season)

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by NorfolkWhite » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:08 am

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 am
Has to be promotion but I'll give him next season too. For this season I'd like to see

1 Us not get outplayed most games and play from minute 1 not from minute 45

2 Play the best players, figure it out and get the right players playing in the right positions

3 Affect an improvement in league position

PH himself needs to

Get a good look at the U23's and evaluate the talent, We've put a lot of eggs in that basket

Set up his back room staff with some decent talent ..like Monk did (No Beattie No Wood 30 goal season)
Suggestions that he is not going to be able to do that.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by gessa » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am

Not expecting us to get anywhere near the playoffs now, but want him to make us look at least as though we are in with a shout next year, get us playing as though we look like we are building something here.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by becchio bear » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:37 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 am
Has to be promotion but I'll give him next season too. For this season I'd like to see

1 Us not get outplayed most games and play from minute 1 not from minute 45

2 Play the best players, figure it out and get the right players playing in the right positions

3 Affect an improvement in league position

PH himself needs to

Get a good look at the U23's and evaluate the talent, We've put a lot of eggs in that basket

Set up his back room staff with some decent talent ..like Monk did (No Beattie No Wood 30 goal season)
I'd agree with all of this plus instill at least some level of discipline in our players!! Too many yellow and red cards :evil: :bear:

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by lufc1304 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:38 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 am
Has to be promotion but I'll give him next season too. For this season I'd like to see

1 Us not get outplayed most games and play from minute 1 not from minute 45

2 Play the best players, figure it out and get the right players playing in the right positions

3 Affect an improvement in league position

PH himself needs to

Get a good look at the U23's and evaluate the talent, We've put a lot of eggs in that basket

Set up his back room staff with some decent talent ..like Monk did (No Beattie No Wood 30 goal season)
This :tup:
gessa wrote:Not expecting us to get anywhere near the playoffs now, but want him to make us look at least as though we are in with a shout next year, get us playing as though we look like we are building something here.
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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by Cjay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:42 pm

top 6.

If thats what the board believe we are capable of, if thats why they sacked TC and appointed Heck, then he has to get top 6.

If they dont want top 6 then why not stick with TC?

Dont think he will, dont think anyone could with this squad, especially given the injures and suspensions and fully expect him to be gone in the summer.

Then Orta can get in someone else that he wants and give them a longer contract.

If TC was still here id be happy with 7th, because thats decent with this squad. But Heck has been appointed because the board want top 6 and they decided Heck could do it. So, thats what i expect.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by Shields53 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:10 pm

I'd like to see him start Stuart Dallas!

We need to be more competitive against teams in the middle of the park. The attitude and discipline of the players needs to be better.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:23 pm

Cjay wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:42 pm
top 6.

If thats what the board believe we are capable of, if thats why they sacked TC and appointed Heck, then he has to get top 6.

If they dont want top 6 then why not stick with TC?

Dont think he will, dont think anyone could with this squad, especially given the injures and suspensions and fully expect him to be gone in the summer.

Then Orta can get in someone else that he wants and give them a longer contract.

If TC was still here id be happy with 7th, because thats decent with this squad. But Heck has been appointed because the board want top 6 and they decided Heck could do it. So, thats what i expect.

The board wanted top 6 with TC, he was producing bottom 6 football that's why he went. My guess is they'll readjust their expectation for this season

Bolton, Sunderland, Barnsley, Hull, Burton and Leeds are the worst teams I've seen this season.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by 1964white » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:23 pm
The board wanted top 6 with TC, he was producing bottom 6 football that's why he went. My guess is they'll readjust their expectation for this season

Bolton, Sunderland, Barnsley, Hull, Burton and Leeds are the worst teams I've seen this season.
Can't argue with those choices :tup:

QPR & Reading are not much better as well

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 pm

I've no idea if Heckingbottom is the one. I guess we'll see but I want to have a look first if you don't mind. He comes here with a better CV than TC so that's a start. Chances are he's not the one as we're still not spending money on the most important position at a football club. But we may get lucky..

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:34 pm

Also being s**t at one club doesn't mean you'll be s**t at the next..Sometimes there's a right place at the right time fit. BMC at Reading springs to mind, Meh manager rides a wave all the way to the Prem...He was junk at Woking, not much better here then sacked at Reading again within 6 months

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by weasel » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm

Given we have 16 matches left then the minimum I would expect is 1 win. That seems to be his current ratio. Anything else is a bonus
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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:11 pm

1 more than TC would have got then...

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by Cjay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:21 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:23 pm
The board wanted top 6 with TC, he was producing bottom 6 football that's why he went. My guess is they'll readjust their expectation for this season

Bolton, Sunderland, Barnsley, Hull, Burton and Leeds are the worst teams I've seen this season.
:oops:

Can't see then readjusting, think your underestimating the arrogance of Orta. He firmly believes he has assembled a top 6 squad.

If he demands less of Hecky then he is accepting he hasnt.

16 games left is plenty of time to get top 6 in Ortas mind.

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by faaip » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:59 pm

Cjay wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:21 pm
:oops:

Can't see then readjusting, think your underestimating the arrogance of Orta. He firmly believes he has assembled a top 6 squad.

If he demands less of Hecky then he is accepting he hasnt.

16 games left is plenty of time to get top 6 in Ortas mind.
Yes I know I've said Barnsley are one of the worst team I've seen and that does come down to the coach. But I've never said he's the one and did say that a change of scenery can work wonders...

I know that you and Weasel liked TC as a coach and think he just needs the right players to turn it around but you've no evidence for that ...plus how much would it cost us to ditch a few 4 year contracts (That everyone was raving about as good business sense earlier) and get in the right players plus who are the right players?

Personally I think the players are a top 6 squad and just need a good coach to bring that out but that's for another thread

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by 1964white » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:08 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:11 pm
1 more than TC would have got then...
Yes it was hard to see him working the oracle again tbh

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Re: What is the minimum you expect from Heck ?

Post by 1964white » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:16 pm

faaip wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:59 pm
Yes I know I've said Barnsley are one of the worst team I've seen and that does come down to the coach. But I've never said he's the one and did say that a change of scenery can work wonders...

I know that you and Weasel liked TC as a coach and think he just needs the right players to turn it around but you've no evidence for that ...plus how much would it cost us to ditch a few 4 year contracts (That everyone was raving about as good business sense earlier) and get in the right players plus who are the right players?

Personally I think the players are a top 6 squad and just need a good coach to bring that out but that's for another thread
Agree Faaip :tup: so much evidence showing his weaknesses

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