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by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:32 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

Yes you're right about the yearly hits but by running the contract downs you are taking the small hit per year rather than the lump sum loss if we were to sell a player mid contract for a vast loss. So as an example if we sold AAronsen last summer for £10m we take the big hit there and then. If he ...
by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

That's why I say it works against smaller clubs who don't have rich owners. City, Chelsea etc can simply spend what they want and as shown in my examples get round FFP even if they were losing billions from a business point of view. Whereas say a lower league club needs to sell to keep afloat but b...
by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:40 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

I understand that. Year 1 £13mil Year 2 £10mil And so on. But how can something you pay out millions for over the ffp cycle as we will have been for Koch be anything but a loss on the ffp accounts when you receive 0 back? It makes no sense, does it? Because he will be a loss cjay! The loss will be ...
by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 10th January) Ayling set to undergo medical at Boro
Replies: 32
Views: 3621

Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 10th January) Ayling set to undergo medical at Boro

will be v sad to see luke go, a true LUFC legend and always gave 100%. Played a big part of our success over the last few years. The transfer makes sense though as clearly Farke doesn't rate him shame about cresswell - you do get the feeling that he might come back to bite us and become a great player
by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:07 am
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

Ultimately ffp is just for accounting purposes in order to meet the pl rules. At the end of the day, here we allowed a minimum 10 mill player leave for next to nothing, which is bad business in anyone's books. Rodrigo similarly was a poor return on investment.
by danhirons
Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:52 am
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

I think Rodrigo would have been an FFP loss this year. If we say paid £24m on a 4 year contract then we'd have needed to sell for £6m to have broke even FFP wise - as such I am guessing we were £3m down on FFP for him. If you look at our starting line this season their FFP values if we were to sell...
by danhirons
Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:04 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

Let's say Leeds bought Koch for £10m on a 4 year contract. As such every year his FFP value goes down by 1/4 until his 4 year contracts ends and his FFP value is £0. If we sold him after a year then we'd have had to sell him for £7.5m to break even against FFP, sell him for more than £7.5m and we h...
by danhirons
Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

But we still owe the final installment on his contract for the 23/24 season so this season which is £3.25million. We received nothing for him so when we pay that then that is a loss? I don't understand how an asset leaving for nothing can ever be anything but a loss? Same with Rodrigo. We got £3mil...
by danhirons
Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:31 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

He's out of contract.... we bought him he played out his contract. Once he's out of contract he's not worth 13M... he's worth exactly nothing so it should be the nothing that goes against FFP. Also FFP is over 3 years and we'll have had him 4 the 13 mill will be amortized over the length of the con...
by danhirons
Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:42 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

Yeah you can see some sort of logic in terms of ffp etc with them leavingon loan but like you say it is staggering to do it in the last year of a contract. No doubt if we don't go up the players who left on loan this season can continue to leave on loan next year and could ismply wind their contrac...
by danhirons
Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:41 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

We were going to lose him anyway. Koch wasn't signing a contract extension with us, so any money we got from a loan deal was a bonus. unless we....sold him last summer?! obviously would be slightly knocked down price as he would have been in the last year of his contract, but still would have comma...
by danhirons
Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

I suspect we’ll pick up a $250-500k fee. Otherwise Frankfurt jeopardize losing Koch to a rival via free transfer. They’ll have to pay some form of consideration in order to finalize the transfer in this window. My two cents… foreign clubs can sign UK based players on a pre-contract from 1 Jan (when...
by danhirons
Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:08 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt
Replies: 413
Views: 36211

Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

Not upset by this. He showed us last year he's not a Premier League defender. He might have helped us get back up, but he wasn't going to keep us there. apart from the fact that we've lost a 10-20 mill player for nothing? an absolute disaster those loan clauses have turned out to be - how short sig...
by danhirons
Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:43 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Djed Spence - The truth is revealed.
Replies: 247
Views: 12051

Re: Djed Spence

SG90 wrote: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:31 pm What a waste of money! We knew he had a bad attitude before, so why didn't that cause a problem before signing him?
i guess it's easy to say now with hindsight, but I guess it was a calculated gamble and he'd been great at forest
by danhirons
Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:37 am
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Sonny Perkins returns!
Replies: 69
Views: 3758

Re: Sonny Perkins returns!

andrewjohnsmith wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:00 pm He was a failure at Oxford. Can only assume he's been recalled to send him somewhere more suitable.
apparently can't because he's already played for two clubs this season
by danhirons
Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:13 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Patrick Bamford
Replies: 1671
Views: 120420

Re: Patrick Bamford

Cjay wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:55 pm It wasn't good, he'd had death threats and been booed when on the pitch.
ah yeah, I get you, shocking the death threats were
by danhirons
Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Patrick Bamford
Replies: 1671
Views: 120420

Re: Patrick Bamford

1741907467112432126 He seemed so happy. Maybe the relationship isn't as broken as first thought? Did a great job today leading the line, stretching the game and giving us a constant presence in the box. did anyone think the relationship was broken? he's always worked his socks off whenever he's com...
by danhirons
Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:57 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 27th December) - Lilywhites stun ten man Leeds
Replies: 61
Views: 3365

Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 27th December) Preston stun 10 man Leeds

I have come to consider that football is a namby pamby wishy washy cry baby game that has gone woke. those guys ain't dumb they might get a blister on the little toe they might get a blister on their bum What about a real man's game rugby where the hand off is part and parcel of the game. Not a lim...
by danhirons
Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:22 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Finlay Gorman- Leaving to join Man City
Replies: 41
Views: 4288

Re: Finlay Gorman- Leaving to join Man City

the man city academy must be one of the best in the world in terms of facilities and coaches
by danhirons
Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:21 pm
Forum: Leeds United Chat
Topic: Finlay Gorman- Leaving to join Man City
Replies: 41
Views: 4288

Re: Finlay Gorman

Players like Brahim Diaz and Sancho were poached from other academies, not produced by them. Only really Cole Palmer was a bonafide academy product they sold for big money and that's cause Chelsea overpay. it obviously takes a long time to overhaul your academy, in terms of players coming through f...